Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Two page discussion on something that will never, ever be implemented.

Fair enough.

So… what problem are you trying to solve here?

What issues are there with the wardec system and why is arbitrarily altering something that's not related to the wardec system the right way to address that issue?

Do you have any evidence to support this or is this just your personal opinion?

I realised at this point you were attempting to use the new player defence to support your real premise that high sec wars are somehow wrong and their frequency needs reduced. Your premise is the thing that is wrong.

Corps of noobs deserve to be punched into insensibility for being noobs who think they can make a corp and everything will be flowers and puppies when EVE is more like man eating death plant from hell and slavering zombie attack dog. This being punched into insensibility will teach them a lot more about EVE than a decade of semi-solo carebearing does. The weak will quit of course, they wont stick EVE anyway so no loss, but others will remain and one day might become true EVE players.

Removing killmails will prevent ye olde and noble art of local smacktalking while linking killmails and this is an invaluable tool in turning noobs into EVE players. It will also remove that glorious moment when your name is immortalised forever in your first kill, you look back on that kill forever with so much fondness and denying this to anyone is an offence against the Gods of EVE.

A second string argument might be that once a player decides he is ready to join a corp and enter EVE the mmo then they are automatically promoted from noob.

Would write more about how bad your idea is but want to give others a chance to laugh at you.

"Lose points"? What?

You're correct, any killboard system isn't tied to the the game itself other than happening in game and the kill being provided by the game. So the OP's suggest of no killmails in high sec doesn't actually apply to the game itself. Any time you lose a ship in game reguardless of method, the game greats a killmail and/or lossmail. That information is provided up to web sites that monitor kills. However, the only kills that are considered is the ones where it would be considered pvp. However, the player losing the ship via concord isn't factored into the killmails. So my suggestion is actually leaning more towards suggesting to the killboard providers to also factor point loss through being conc'd.

The Op's comments are an attempt to stop high sec war decs against newb and indy corps. Yet, he fails to realize that the war dec system IS the issue, not the killmail system.

My suggestion is a simple one more towards the killboard sites themselves. I think it would actually add some value to killmails. If players are fighting against each other, and two pilots receive a kill at the same time they receive a loss, then they lose points and gain points based on this info. So, these high sec suicide gankers are losing ships, but they're not losing points for these losses. So they can gain stats, even though they're losing more ships than anyone else.

Now, war decs need their own changes. However, I'm not going to make a comment on how they should be changed because everyone agrees that it needs to be changed, it just seems that no one can agree on how to change it. Some think it should be easier and cheaper. Some think it should be harder and more expensive. This is probably one of the most contraversial topics in Eve, and until CCP releases their opinion on it, no one is going to be satisfied. So personally, I kinda feel that CCP isn't going to do a thing about it cause they'd rather have everyone mad, than to have one group super happy and the other group rage quit mad.

Agreed, just thought I'd bring it up though