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Tips for Project Discovery exoplanets?

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zitellona
No Risk No ISK
#41 - 2017-07-12 12:10:29 UTC
How can the system know when someone has done a correct analysis? What the hell are we doing here?
Valera Schwert
Das zweite Konglomerat
Evictus.
#42 - 2017-07-12 12:11:54 UTC
DrysonBennington wrote:
Valera Schwert wrote:
I have no idea why this failed ...

https://imgur.com/gallery/DPaOb




Because there are two different transits present.

The one that is marked in green that was correct is one and the one marked in read is another one.

When you have plates like this with more than one transit that lines along the same line the other transit will be a second second transit.

The wavy suns like the one in your image are sometimes hard to mark. Just mark all the lower transits with one marker and the higher transits with another marker.


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I understand the idea of a second planet (second pattern). However, this assumed second pattern has the exact same interval as the first pattern but is shifted by 1/2. That would mean that the second planet is exactly opposite to the first. How high is the chance for that? :)
Valera Schwert
Das zweite Konglomerat
Evictus.
#43 - 2017-07-12 12:16:04 UTC
zoltan Ishikela wrote:
http://imgur.com/RLoKtKb

missed 1 marker, FAILED


I had the exact same reason of failure. It even looks like the same data XD
Valera Schwert
Das zweite Konglomerat
Evictus.
#44 - 2017-07-12 12:18:21 UTC
Galaxxis wrote:
Valera Schwert wrote:
I have no idea why this failed ...

https://imgur.com/gallery/DPaOb




Most likely marked as two separate transiting planets in a 2:1 mean-motion resonance due to the different transit depths. To make this particular pattern they would have to be transiting at the same time, which is a little odd but not impossible.

Actually I'm looking at this again, and I'm bothered by the fact that the transits are not only apparently overlapped, but also the exact same width. That shouldn't happen with two different orbits; the outer orbit should have a longer transit duration. And no, co-orbital planets aren't really a thing. I'm not convinced that their analysis of this light curve is correct.



Oh hi! Thanks for that awesome answers. That pretty much matched my thoughts, thanks a lot! :)
Virginia Flake
Lac Scorpii
#45 - 2017-07-12 12:20:20 UTC
It is very simple, really. You should see distinct "V" dip or a series of dips. You mark them and proceed. When you don't see "V" deep, you click "No transit". That's it. Don't try to find some tricky system in the noise. It's not there.

As I understnad it - it's a game of statistics, so our answers are superimposed. When game has little statistics sometimes you'll get a failure, because - it seems - system can't compare your answer to some data. But as you progress - it becomes much more predictable. If you don't see distinct narrow V, if you don't see obvious pattern, then click "no transit". I mostly get "No transit" plates. I've went to 0,4% accurancy, now I'm back to 65%, got 9 discovery skins.

Best,
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#46 - 2017-07-12 12:32:08 UTC
Huh... suddenly, after failing 1000 times, the easy stuff showed up. Up to 60% accuracy now.

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)

Vanessa Celtis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2017-07-12 12:53:40 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Huh... suddenly, after failing 1000 times, the easy stuff showed up. Up to 60% accuracy now.



That is CCP, manipulating things around behind the scene especially the ratios easy vs. hard samples !
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#48 - 2017-07-12 13:12:43 UTC
Vanessa Celtis wrote:
Shalua Rui wrote:
Huh... suddenly, after failing 1000 times, the easy stuff showed up. Up to 60% accuracy now.



That is CCP, manipulating things around behind the scene especially the ratios easy vs. hard samples !

Cheeky.

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)

Pan Pan
Corwan Industrial
Kanen Industrial Guild
#49 - 2017-07-12 13:16:53 UTC
Best thing I have discovered...

While zoomed in to a width of about 3 days, click on a suspected transit, then move the slider in the window below to look for another. When you see one hover your mouse over it to bring up the orbital period ticks. If you see one you like, click it, and keep panning. Don't be too quick to go into folded mode. It's time consuming and resets the whole interface when you exit.
I 4M L3Gl0N
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2017-07-12 15:01:47 UTC
This is worse than there being no point to this - it is not only discouraging me to play the mini-game it is discouraging me to play EVE at all if this is how they plan to treat players.

This is not hard - it is impossible. There is no discernable pattern between the supposed correct transits and the noise around it. Usually the "correct transits" look less like transits than the noise around them. And the dips in luminosity of these supposed transits are near or less than the average dips. The largest 20% of the dips in luminosity aren't even considered transits. Pure stupidity - on either CCP's part or I guess mine for even bothering.

Did anyone at CCP not involved in its creation even try it to test the user experience?
Edik Edik
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2017-07-12 15:17:54 UTC
M4cD0g
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#52 - 2017-07-12 21:32:32 UTC


Spectacular FAIL of the developer of this at one of the bullshit samples. Can't get better than that!

Take a hint CCP. If even your main developer that has worked on this for months can't solve this don't expect us to. Remove the frustrating random garbage samples.

https://i.imgur.com/BdDpVLs.jpg

Hilarious!
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#53 - 2017-07-12 21:38:23 UTC
M4cD0g wrote:


Spectacular FAIL of the developer of this at one of the bullshit samples. Can't get better than that!

Take a hint CCP. If even your main developer that has worked on this for months can't solve this don't expect us to. Remove the frustrating random garbage samples.

https://i.imgur.com/BdDpVLs.jpg

Hilarious!

It's quite a hit and miss affair... I was going great for some time now, then suddenly back to one unreadable sample after the other and *swoosh" down by 20% accuracy.

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)

Anton Sosnicev
Outplayed.
#54 - 2017-07-13 00:33:28 UTC
http://i.imgur.com/SnE5Gjc.png

What is this? Almost 4 day nothing?What?
Sephiroth Clone VII
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#55 - 2017-07-13 01:50:45 UTC
Here is a good hint, the zoom tool is used by clicking on the left side of the lower bar and draging left.

With that it could be made more obvious to see where it is like a button or a slider.
Soulstinger
The Crimson Raiders
#56 - 2017-07-13 10:49:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Soulstinger
The implementation and explanation of this game asset is infuriating.

Not enough is explained about how the interface works, how to learn from your mistakes - which all too often are completely indiscernible from background noise- or how to refine your selection using the time dilation.

What results mean you had too tight an orbit described, or what your results indicated that was false.

*edit*
Yes you can mark a single transit, my mistake on that note.

Overall this system feels like it was intended for people with a much higher threshold of knowledge about the subject matter, and the interface feels like it is missing a step, some sort of pre- selection fold mechanic that allows us to further filter out background noise.
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#57 - 2017-07-13 10:54:52 UTC
You can mark a single transit by double klicking.

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)

Hir Miriel
Elves In Space
#58 - 2017-07-13 12:52:36 UTC
Maybe someone doesn't want to be discovered.

~ ~~ Thinking inside Schrodinger's sandbox. ~~ ~

Vanessa Celtis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2017-07-13 17:58:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Vanessa Celtis
CCP, please do us a favor:

http://i.imgur.com/RYVGnT5.jpg
Sarmoung Diaconescu
Academy of the Unseen Arts
#60 - 2017-07-13 18:48:50 UTC
How was that even possible...!? http://imgur.com/a/nkWqM