Player Features and Ideas Discussion

An Idea that might make the gameplay a little more interesting and fun, how about being able to switch to a Cockpit view? With different console instruments on each ship, and even having a bridge on some of the larger vessels. This could be quite an interesting thing to throw in with the already great world of EVE.

That would work in FPS flight simulator, and Eve isn't that. And tbh even the cruisers have the bridge that's certain, so that first person view wouldn't be prolly what you expect

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/New_Eden_crew_guidelines

There are games out there there that do this, they are free, do a little research. The lag this idea involves is unbelievable, This is a naval warfare game, not a fighter game. That being said, I would like the option to decide how my ship orbits, I am getting tired of turning and heading towards the rats.

This is an interesting idea, and I can see both arguments here being quite valid. I would however like to point out a few things.

Firstly, lore. The only reason the pod technology is 'lore' is because CCP needed some justification in EVE's early days/years for why we were represented as ships and not people-in-ships. Now I understand that many capsuleers like this concept, but to retcon that wouldn't take as great a leap in logic as some of the changes New Eden has experienced. In a year or so who'll be arguing about the "good old days" of goo filled pods?

Secondly, and more importantly from my point of view, is the fps hit that piloting a ship would initially bring. Let's consider what is being rendered to the screen as we fly in space. How many polygons do you think the average cruiser has? I'll go out on a limb here and guess something in the vacinity of 3,000 - 4,000 polys per average. That's not a huge amount in todays gaming environment. Now, how many do you think your pilots head has? I'm willing to bet it's up around the 1,000 mark including hair. So straight away, before we've even started rendering the "cockpit" we have a major hurdle to overcome. Switching to a first person view would nullify this, obviously, leaving only the cockpit/Bridge to render. Now interiors are great expanses of FLAT SURFACES, meaning we can put a huge amount of detail in an interior with very little GPU overhead. I'd go as far as saying the fps would actually increase with this implementation.

At the end of the day, we don't even need to render space at all. We could concievably remote pilot our ships directly from the captains' quarters. I mean, it's not like you need ironsights to shoot.

I support the idea of at least prototyping this concept. I personally find it strange that upon stepping from my pod, my hair is neatly tied back and my uniform is clean and pressed. Shouldn't I be naked, on my hands and knees coughing up the aforementioned goo? Let's face it. The idea of us controlling our ships via neural implants is nostalgic at best, and ridiculous at worst. A few people (myself included) have taken to imagining that we are, in fact, standing on the bridge of our ships at the CIC dishing out orders. A la Captain Kirk.

We all need to learn to change with our gaming environment. Living in the past will never lead us into the future.

That's my 2 ISK at least.

I like the idea. I think the major issue with it is that Eve is still DX9 though, I have said this in other threads but I don't think people understand that graphically speaking Eve is archaic. The design of GPUs now favor DX10/11 style APIs which offer more advanced functions and due to the hardware support run faster too.

I don't see why you couldn't render a ships bridge and have the Eve universe appear threw windows/viewers/sensors, I don't see anything in Eve which would greatly stress a modern card.

If you wanted to fold this in to lore then just say the capsule has internal sensors which it can use to track/view crew.

WASD is great in 2D ... but we can move in all three dimensions here...

FPS has WASD (+ shift for run), and jump/crouch. OK, but how well is that control scheme going to handle "forward at full speed, whilst diverging above the centre plane at 15 degrees"?

Unless we're talking about de-coupling "speed of travel" from the WASD controls ... at which point we start having to skip the whole "keyboard" thing, get implants, and start control...

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I think we're all missing the point of this thread.



It's not about piloting our ships in first person, or about having wasd functionality, it's about rendering the interiors of our ships. Nothing needs to be changed except [stop rendering ship exterior, render ship interior]. Simple really. Then we could use the mouse exactly as we use it now (with the exception of not being able to click in space!) but see our gorgeous control consoles, a few windows and the space beyond. At the very least it would give us an added level of creativity when making videos. We could even have it as an option in the advanced camera controls preferences.

that would be cool. something that would be even better would be in there were either pre-fitted drone repair modules in the drone bay so you can fix broken drones while they sit in the bay. or having a new mod that you can activate ti repair the drones.

Hahaha...

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