EVE General Discussion

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Don't mean to be rude, but, damn, reading is hard.

I wouldn't repackage those ships until after the patch, you will be able to remove the rigs

why cant they do a nice rebalance where there ships still keep their status as t3 cruiser but also as diffent faction ship. i mean honestly i saw on reddit what they are trying to do with them and its terrible. i trained for a tengu and now they are ruining it?

Looking forward to the t3c nerf! Is there a date yet for it?

The ships are just that far out of balance that they have to 'ruin' the ships to bring them back into order. They've just been broken so long that people believe T3's should be uber, not the jack of all trades that they were always meant to be,

The SP loss is not an excuse to keep them OP, as that mostly makes the SP loss meaningless for a start since they win most of their fights through being OP. But cost is not a suitable balancing factor, and SP loss is simply part of the cost.
As for time, T3C's require pretty much the same time to truly make shine as a HAC does. They need all the same weapon systems and the Subskills are *1's, hardly a big train to get them all to V.
So no, none of those excuse them being OP and out of their correct place in the power hierarchy.

Whilst, it has been expected for a long time that T3cruisers were going to have a negative balance pass, and one is not surprised to see one, this is really quite an extreme one. The combination of "nerfs" to tank, sig, agility, and reduced options really stack together"

Whilst all have had significant reductions to their tank, in all measures and stats, and their ability to have the POTENTIAL to be overused in fleet combat, is reduced, the Loki and Legion, appear to be hit less hard, but all have had quite a serious hit to agility. As gatecamping is pretty much a binary option, catch or don't catch, anything less than absolutely perfect skills, and the perfect fitting, is pretty much going to die now, every time. A little hard to be absolutely sure, it depends whether SISI is being truly representative.

However, this aside, two of the T3c are being hit far far harder, the Proteus, is No longer going to be able to fulfil quite a few roles and the Tengu, is simply shocking, every nerf, tank disadvantage, both type and racial, stacks together here.

The focus group is discussing these and putting forward fits and info, thanks to them for that, hopefully they will show what is neccessary to allow these discrepancies to be resolved.

Now I know the HAC vs T3 argument, and there is a point to that, but T3c should not be worse than a HAC in all cases, there is no advantage in having a ship that is flexible in it's roles, if it is a poor choice at all of them.

To prevent, slogans, and predjudice determining how they are rebalanced, they should be renamed something like "pocket battleships" or even better " advanced technology strike ships".

The argument that cruisers should not have "xxx" abilities disappears then, and they can be balanced accordingly, because, quite simply, no one has EVER used a T3 as just another cruiser, they have ALWAYS been an entirely different class of ships. Only those who have not used them, ever thought of them as cruisers.

They should quite simply be balanced to be the best choice sometimes, and better choices of ships should be chosen, at other times. NOT, a ship to be only chosen when a HAC or Pirate battleship, isn't available.

Hopefully this will be reached, no one wants to create new Svipuls, that cause chaos until revisited, but hopefully, no one wants to kill the Tengu and Proteus! They still should be a good choice, in certain circumstances, as it stands, the rebalance appears in this draft, to fail to ensure they are a good choice.

All is not lost though, Fozzie and his team, do seem to be truly listening, and really trying.
Hopefully, a path can be found, that makes these ships an interesting and valuable choice, and not just a flexible, subpar switchable HAC. The Covert options do stand out to be somewhat viable however, mainly because we do not have a viable covert HAC. (Recons don't count as Hacs).