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Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
#41 - 2012-01-09 17:22:50 UTC
Alaadra Mernher wrote:
It's the price they're willing to pay to have fun in the game.

You could draw a parallel to real life jobs: I work for company ABC doing job XYZ. I could move to company EFG and do job VWX, which is pretty close to XYZ, but not exactly the same and make 1.5 times my current salary. But I don't really like doing VWX very much and I prefer doing XYZ, so I'll take a lesser salary in order to have a 'fun' job, or at least the job I like best between the two options. (I always overlook something when doing those kind of comparisons, please point it out :P)

People who do that, as others have pointed out, like Manufacturing. Maybe they don't like playing market games. Maybe they can't be bothered with the few minutes it takes to make market research, because they hate that. It's a few minutes to much for them. I know I do it. In the end, they take a pay cut in exchange for doing what they like.

"But they would make more money just selling the minerals!". Yes, but they enjoy manufacturing. Yes they would be making more profit, but they wouldn't have fun.

Is it a poor decision? From a pure profit perpective, yes undoubtedly. Can you really fault them for doing what they like in the game? I wouldn't think so.

It's the same reason you're playing EvE right now, or browsing the forums. You could be making RL money by working! Why are you sitting there playing a game? Because you need a break from your work week and you enjoy playing EvE.

Alaadra


I think you pretty much nailed it.


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Dawnstar
Kiroshi Group
#42 - 2012-01-09 23:04:42 UTC
This complaint is as old as Eve itself. I remember seeing people do this the first week that the game was live.

Its not a problem, its an opportunity. If they're selling for 3.5M and it costs 4M to make them? Buy them up and sell them for 3.95M. Other sellers won't buy them up at that price, but they should still sell to individuals seeking the item. You making a 10% return on your investment for virtually no work, other than your isk being tied up for a time. If its something that doesn't sell well and the prices are low enough, reprocess them for cheap minerals (be sure to do the math, comparing the reprocessed mineral value to the cost).

Personally, I would LOVE to see more people selling things at stupidly low prices. More investment opportunities for me.
Ahrieman
Codex Praedonum
Divine Damnation
#43 - 2012-01-09 23:12:02 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
The main problem with the "minerals I mine are free" argument is that this is a GAME.

If this were a real business in the real world it would be one thing. But for some it is a valid point that if they enjoy mining, and then making stuff with it and then selling it for whatever, its all good.

Heck by the same argument nobody should ever PVP. I cannot ever thing of a time where I made isk from PVP. So everyone should stop killing and ganking each other cause you know you are losing money by doing so...


I make money pvp'ing. I think you're doing it wrong....you have to NOT be awful to turn a profit Pirate

Solo Rifter since 2009
Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
#44 - 2012-01-10 06:35:18 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:


MapQ wrote:
What is up with all of these "People don't care because it's a game" arguments? It's one of the most absurd damage control defenses I have ever heard.


No, in fact it is completely relevant and you are missing the point. The "It's a GAME argument" is not that you cannot apply real life math to EVE. Of course you can. The point where the comparison breaks down is not in the hard math, but the motivation.


The "motivation" doesn't matter to economics. In real life, which Eve is part of, doing things for fun instead of profit is quite frequent. It blows away some of the more dubious economic models (such as the frequent assumption that economic actors are rationally maximizing the time-value of their assets). But economics works just as well as it does anywhere else.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2012-01-10 14:05:41 UTC
Tasko Pal wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:


MapQ wrote:
What is up with all of these "People don't care because it's a game" arguments? It's one of the most absurd damage control defenses I have ever heard.


No, in fact it is completely relevant and you are missing the point. The "It's a GAME argument" is not that you cannot apply real life math to EVE. Of course you can. The point where the comparison breaks down is not in the hard math, but the motivation.


The "motivation" doesn't matter to economics. In real life, which Eve is part of, doing things for fun instead of profit is quite frequent. It blows away some of the more dubious economic models (such as the frequent assumption that economic actors are rationally maximizing the time-value of their assets). But economics works just as well as it does anywhere else.



It's like going in circles. Yes the "motivation" doesn't matter to economics. But that's my point in the reverse. You can spew all the economics you want because it doesn't matter if the motivation for players of this GAME called EVE is fun, not profit.
Roland Schlosser
Entropy Engine
#46 - 2012-01-10 21:50:40 UTC
Everything I make myself is free!!!!!!!! trololololololol
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