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The Rogue Swarm – the cosmic “Gold Rush”!

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Rexxar Santaro
Forex Corp
#21 - 2017-06-14 17:49:50 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
If you are in a 250dps Vexor, I would suggest talking to your corp mates for fitting help. It 'should' even with T1 fittings be getting more than that.


ITTigerClawIK wrote:

to do well int hese sites DO NOT BRING DRONE BOATS OR MISSILE BOATS they do really poorly against high ROF setups on cruisers frigates and dessies and im talking about the T1 kind.


I got it. Drones and missiles aren’t effective in this event.

I’m using a “Armor Tanked and Kitting Vex” upset is 3 blasters and a Drone Link Augmentor while downset is Damage Control II + Repairer + 3xDrone Damage Amplifiers II. The midset is completely engineering stuff. The point is I have good skills on ship and weapons for my home world Minmatar stuff and, moreover, high skills for frigates, BC and BS only. Due to this my lvl III Vex is the best Cruiser for low-sec expeditions currently. I can push dps up with skills on blasters and Medium T2 drones, but I miss ‘em. Therefore, I not buying Gila also.
Rexxar Santaro
Forex Corp
#22 - 2017-06-14 17:53:08 UTC
Don’t take this thread as my criticism or complaint on the event. It’s just a review.

It’s not competitive as most things in EVE Online. It’s like a race between Mini and Bugatti Veyron. I’m just pointing to respect somebody’s deeds and time, at least in High-Sec. Who likes the WareFare mechanic when you have to collide around the beacon by killing rats, being like a shrimp on the plate, for 15-20 min and during the last 40 sec somebody from your faction jumps in (or in the worst case an opposite fleet jumps in)?
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#23 - 2017-06-14 18:25:33 UTC
Rexxar Santaro wrote:
Just a word, if you’ll see a player on a bad ship clearing the site just leave him.

If he can't cope with the competition, he doesn't deserve the reward.

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.

Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2017-06-14 18:58:31 UTC
Rexxar Santaro wrote:
Don’t take this thread as my criticism or complaint on the event. It’s just a review.

It’s not competitive as most things in EVE Online. It’s like a race between Mini and Bugatti Veyron. I’m just pointing to respect somebody’s deeds and time, at least in High-Sec. Who likes the WareFare mechanic when you have to collide around the beacon by killing rats, being like a shrimp on the plate, for 15-20 min and during the last 40 sec somebody from your faction jumps in (or in the worst case an opposite fleet jumps in)?

I cleared the sites in my Svipul (as usual) with ease and almost no damage to my shields in less than 5min (didn't watch time, but it felt very fast). I'm pretty sure an AC-Thrasher would perform similarly. Using a Cruiser is overkill for these sites, and maybe even makes you slower.

Regarding competition, I had none in highsec yesterday, as said, in the Forge nobody seemed to bother. Can't say how it evolved for today (will be offline for a week). Lowsec was basically fine, I lost two sites to a Vigilant and an Orthrus (won't fight those solo in a Svipul P), but was able to secure 8 sites and got 6 boosters thanks to the better drop rate. No kill scored, sadly. A Caracal and Punisher ran from my little boat.

I'm my own NPC alt.

Gogela
The Conference Elite
CODE.
#25 - 2017-06-14 21:07:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Gogela
There are so many ways to play this event. I started out in a Hectate just going into the site, waiting for whoever was there first to finish it, and then jacking the loot. This is in HighSec, and I managed to pick up about 10 accelerators in about 2 hours. You can run the site like a normal person, but you can also run the site and let the Overmind live, and wait for some ninja to come in. In this case the real drop will be the ninjas ship. Big smile I've seen several players basically just farming ninja capsuleers to great effect. At the rate people are running these sites, all of the ship skin types in this event should be dirt cheap in a matter of days. Everyone is going to be able to afford a full set of skins now. In terms of ISK payout maybe not so much, but in terms of fun it's pretty good. The sites aren't challenging at all... unless you want them to be. I cleared a site in a few minutes with a Caracal. It was overkill. I barely took any damage and the rogue drones went down in a shot or two. A rouge drone nest is a great place to start a fight, if you want to. Otherwise, as long as you get off of the main trade routes you should be able to do the sites you want without being bothered by others too much.

I think this event would be a great template for CCP's future events. They don't have to all be like this, but it is one of the better one's I've participated in. The centralized events all result in max TiDi with PL blapping everyone at the end. The drone event introduced some actual new gameplay that's accessible to everyone. Good jorb on this one, CCP.

/2isk

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Blade Darth
Room for Improvement
Good Sax
#26 - 2017-06-14 21:37:48 UTC
Rexxar Santaro wrote:
250 DPS on my Vexor
Overkill, get an arty thrasher or some other insta-blap trash. Rail thorax with max dps, sensor boosters, hyperspatial rigs etc. and 0 tank (not even a dcu) is what you need for this event.
Drones lose too much dps if they can 1-shot target and than travel 10 seconds to the next. Your effective dps is 20-50 in this site, while a 200 dps destroyer can apply all 200.

Missing the new AI
Missing diversification - HS/ LS/ Null sites exactly the same.
Liking the skins and accelerators
Tyrana McBitch
Doomheim
#27 - 2017-06-14 23:20:43 UTC
I agree. I have done some events, that are suppost to be doable by an alpha. However, the site were always lost to t2 - t3 ships.

Insane.

Coralas
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2017-06-15 02:02:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Coralas
Rexxar Santaro wrote:


I’m using a “Armor Tanked and Kitting Vex” upset is 3 blasters and a Drone Link Augmentor while downset is Damage Control II + Repairer + 3xDrone Damage Amplifiers II. The midset is completely engineering stuff. The point is I have good skills on ship and weapons for my home world Minmatar stuff and, moreover, high skills for frigates, BC and BS only. Due to this my lvl III Vex is the best Cruiser for low-sec expeditions currently. I can push dps up with skills on blasters and Medium T2 drones, but I miss ‘em. Therefore, I not buying Gila also.


The stratios, which is a droneboat, is superior to most other ships for this, because you can run around lowsec with an extremely low risk of losing your ship to a camp and farm uncontested swarms to your hearts content. I have found 12 accelerators in 2 trips doing this along with 4 plex and lots of skins.

Also as the value falls out of the market for all the things that drop, and the collectors get all their skins, it willl become trivial for newbeans to get uncontested ones to get their accelerators. Realistically you just need to find one accelerator every *40 hours or so, the rest is gravy.

Lastly, you will also find that the swarms may stack up in some systems, and people won't be contesting you because they won't be there. Figuring out why this is an observable phenomenon will help you in the long term if you ever want to run exploration content, ie learning how to find where signatures and anomolies go is a good thing.


*ok more often without biology
sun Tszu
Perkone
Caldari State
#29 - 2017-06-15 11:02:47 UTC
IMHO they need to make this event more like a thunderdrome. Once you start the fight all others are locked out of the arena. That way you dont have some lowlife coming in and taking away what you started working for. (but I showed him I switched safety off and blew him up .. and then of course got ganked by the concords ) but at least no one won that round.
Scott Tracy
Perkone
Caldari State
#30 - 2017-06-15 11:37:28 UTC
In patch note for Thursday it says loot tables for this event have been tweaked sounds good
Sarina Aideron
Aideron Corp
#31 - 2017-06-15 12:21:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Sarina Aideron
These sites get farmed so hard, its crazy Shocked

I just tried to do a site, in a remote system in Minmatar space. I cleared the first wave, then a Confessor, Ashimu, Gila and a Proteus warped it.

The sites might be for Alphas, but there are hordes of Omegas in blinged ships, doing the sites in like 2 min. I haven't seen a single Alpha (T1) ship in these sites, but all kinds of Omega ships. Even a Lachesis lol

IMO its way to easy for thieves to steal the loot. All they need to do is get the last hit to get the loot. Wreck ownership should be based on damage done.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
#32 - 2017-06-15 12:24:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
For every Alpha account it must be really dishartening when he see how he have not a chance with everyone in Omega clone. Maybe only when he would steal the spoils and quickly warp out in warp stabbed frigate with some tanking mods that give a ton of hp to not be oneshooted.
Sarina Aideron
Aideron Corp
#33 - 2017-06-15 12:29:55 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
For every Alpha account it must be really dishartening when he see how he have not a chance with everyone in Omega clone. Maybe only when he would steal the spoils and quickly warp out in warp stabbed frigate with some tanking mods that give a ton of hp to not be oneshooted.

Yea. The message to them is basically: If you want to be competetive, you need to pay $$$.
April rabbit
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2017-06-15 13:01:38 UTC
Sarina Aideron wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
For every Alpha account it must be really dishartening when he see how he have not a chance with everyone in Omega clone. Maybe only when he would steal the spoils and quickly warp out in warp stabbed frigate with some tanking mods that give a ton of hp to not be oneshooted.

Yea. The message to them is basically: If you want to be competetive, you need to pay $$$.

Well... EvE is not 'free 2 play' game. Alpha is only extended trial.

Do not expect equal power of Alpha and Omega players. This will kill the game very fast.
sun Tszu
Perkone
Caldari State
#35 - 2017-06-15 18:00:58 UTC
April rabbit wrote:
Sarina Aideron wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
For every Alpha account it must be really dishartening when he see how he have not a chance with everyone in Omega clone. Maybe only when he would steal the spoils and quickly warp out in warp stabbed frigate with some tanking mods that give a ton of hp to not be oneshooted.

Yea. The message to them is basically: If you want to be competetive, you need to pay $$$.

Well... EvE is not 'free 2 play' game. Alpha is only extended trial.

Do not expect equal power of Alpha and Omega players. This will kill the game very fast.


I dont think anyone is expecting Alpha and Omega to be the same but on the other hand if alpha cant get a fair shake then whats the point.

LOL Ive already have had 3 friends who played awhile and said screw this 'pay to play' see you (I or at least my alt) was a sucker
and bought 4 months omega..but Im really thinking after that Im gonna be done too.

This rouge swarm just seems to be payout for the ppl that have been here the longest, it was alright before when you could actually run it without 2-4 ppl warping in and stealing the final kill, but now that thats happening I really dont see the point on wasting the time on it.

just my $2isk.
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2017-06-15 18:14:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Tipa Riot
sun Tszu wrote:
April rabbit wrote:
Sarina Aideron wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
For every Alpha account it must be really dishartening when he see how he have not a chance with everyone in Omega clone. Maybe only when he would steal the spoils and quickly warp out in warp stabbed frigate with some tanking mods that give a ton of hp to not be oneshooted.

Yea. The message to them is basically: If you want to be competetive, you need to pay $$$.

Well... EvE is not 'free 2 play' game. Alpha is only extended trial.

Do not expect equal power of Alpha and Omega players. This will kill the game very fast.


I dont think anyone is expecting Alpha and Omega to be the same but on the other hand if alpha cant get a fair shake then whats the point.

LOL Ive already have had 3 friends who played awhile and said screw this 'pay to play' see you (I or at least my alt) was a sucker
and bought 4 months omega..but Im really thinking after that Im gonna be done too.

This rouge swarm just seems to be payout for the ppl that have been here the longest, it was alright before when you could actually run it without 2-4 ppl warping in and stealing the final kill, but now that thats happening I really dont see the point on wasting the time on it.

just my $2isk.

I have the impression you are either trolling or just here to confirm your preconceived opinion. We see this often, but as an EvE player you need to think outside the box, because you almost always must outwit other real people to succeed. The environment & mechanics are very good balanced, the problem is not the Alpha status but your willingness to adapt and find a solution to a challenge. There are several solutions in this case.

I'm my own NPC alt.

SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
#37 - 2017-06-15 18:25:24 UTC
This thread is silly. Get a few jumps away from major population centers and you can run the sites entirely uncontested.

Roll

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/

Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
#38 - 2017-06-15 19:01:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Anyone remembers how you could have completed sites just by being in them when somone else killed the trigger? And then you could have received some rewards in this SCOPE network event "shadow of serpent". Why they dont make a hybrid event that combines two things, easy missions and completion of many sites in long term that gives some rewards, and completion by participation?

Is it so much to ask?
sun Tszu
Perkone
Caldari State
#39 - 2017-06-15 19:59:23 UTC  |  Edited by: sun Tszu
Tipa Riot wrote:
sun Tszu wrote:
April rabbit wrote:
Sarina Aideron wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
For every Alpha account it must be really dishartening when he see how he have not a chance with everyone in Omega clone. Maybe only when he would steal the spoils and quickly warp out in warp stabbed frigate with some tanking mods that give a ton of hp to not be oneshooted.

Yea. The message to them is basically: If you want to be competetive, you need to pay $$$.

Well... EvE is not 'free 2 play' game. Alpha is only extended trial.

Do not expect equal power of Alpha and Omega players. This will kill the game very fast.


I dont think anyone is expecting Alpha and Omega to be the same but on the other hand if alpha cant get a fair shake then whats the point.

LOL Ive already have had 3 friends who played awhile and said screw this 'pay to play' see you (I or at least my alt) was a sucker
and bought 4 months omega..but Im really thinking after that Im gonna be done too.

This rouge swarm just seems to be payout for the ppl that have been here the longest, it was alright before when you could actually run it without 2-4 ppl warping in and stealing the final kill, but now that thats happening I really dont see the point on wasting the time on it.

just my $2isk.

I have the impression you are either trolling or just here to confirm your preconceived opinion. We see this often, but as an EvE player you need to think outside the box, because you almost always must outwit other real people to succeed. The environment & mechanics are very good balanced, the problem is not the Alpha status but your willingness to adapt and find a solution to a challenge. There are several solutions in this case.


This in not a troll. Its my general impression of the game event as a relatively new player. So enlighten us as to what those solutions might be? Im curious how you would go about handling the situation as a new omega clone in a gnosis? I myself have no problem handling the swarm alone, the problem is the crusty old timers coming in and taking away the prize. I personally have a set of ethic's that prevent me from 'stealing' the prize from another player. So like I said why dont you enlighten us new players so that we may gain some insight?
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
#40 - 2017-06-15 20:01:19 UTC
sun Tszu wrote:


I personally have a set of ethic's that prevent me from 'stealing' from another prize.


Well, there's your problem, right there. Roll

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/