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As an official response to CCP tuesdays nerf

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Smuff Gallente
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2017-06-11 05:57:08 UTC
I propose that as a proportional response to CCP's Tuesday Nerf we as the community Cancel our Eve Vegas tickets and demand a refund and that en-mass cancel our paid accounts. they want to hurt us in our wallet's lets hurt them in there's
Jo Kiyoko
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2017-06-11 05:59:05 UTC
That will show them not to balance their game.
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#3 - 2017-06-11 06:03:02 UTC
I'll bite. What supposed nerf are you referring to?

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."

Felyx Ravencroft
#4 - 2017-06-11 06:22:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Felyx Ravencroft
I presume what you mean is
Smuff Gallente wrote:
They want to hurt us in our wallets, let's hurt them in theirs.


Correct spelling, punctuation, diction and grammar go a long way to enhance the credibility of an argument or proposition Blink (I just couldn't resist, when faced with such relentless butchering of the English language within a single sentence, sorry - well, not really...P)

Oh, and it's en masse, btw...
Furthermore, please look up the definition of "official".
Rain6637
NulzSec
#5 - 2017-06-11 06:30:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
Sobaan Tali wrote:
I'll bite. What supposed nerf are you referring to?


If that was a sarcastic comment I apologize for missing the joke and this sperg (we're allowed to say sperg again, ISD said so).

Supercarrier fighter damage is being cut by like 20%. CCP made the mistake of including PVE ISK as one of the stated reasons and now you're getting another iteration of multibox automation rage. Sort of. While automation affected a segment of players who used a type of software, this change affects everyone using Supercarriers.

As a subcap player I just find it hard to care. I also pay for real money subs and apparently less ISK in the economy is just better for players like me.

greed is good ayyyylmao
Rain6637
NulzSec
#6 - 2017-06-11 06:33:37 UTC
If PVE + Super ISK was the problem I wish they had to kind of resources to create an NPC dread squad with no bounty payout to escalate sites. Something like that.
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#7 - 2017-06-11 06:35:58 UTC
Smuff Gallente wrote:
I propose that as a proportional response to CCP's Tuesday Nerf we as the community Cancel our Eve Vegas tickets and demand a refund and that en-mass cancel our paid accounts. they want to hurt us in our wallet's lets hurt them in there's

Nobody's going to miss a dumb donkey like you. The event will be more fun without you, so please go ahead.

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.

Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#8 - 2017-06-11 06:49:01 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
Sobaan Tali wrote:
I'll bite. What supposed nerf are you referring to?


If that was a sarcastic comment I apologize for missing the joke and this sperg (we're allowed to say sperg again, ISD said so).

Supercarrier fighter damage is being cut by like 20%. CCP made the mistake of including PVE ISK as one of the stated reasons and now you're getting another iteration of multibox automation rage. Sort of. While automation affected a segment of players who used a type of software, this change affects everyone using Supercarriers.

As a subcap player I just find it hard to care. I also pay for real money subs and apparently less ISK in the economy is just better for players like me.

greed is good ayyyylmao


Yeah, thought I saw that on the notes. Oh, well...can't please everyone, right?

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."

Rain6637
NulzSec
#9 - 2017-06-11 06:50:38 UTC
Sobaan Tali wrote:


Yeah, thought I saw that on the notes. Oh, well...can't please everyone, right?

Not like the bar is very high

the nerfs will continue until morale improves
Black Pedro
Mine.
#10 - 2017-06-11 07:00:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Black Pedro
Smuff Gallente wrote:
I propose that as a proportional response to CCP's Tuesday Nerf we as the community Cancel our Eve Vegas tickets and demand a refund and that en-mass cancel our paid accounts. they want to hurt us in our wallet's lets hurt them in there's
Dude, they are just doing what is necessary to balance their game. Sure, this drastic and inelegant solution probably could have been avoided if they actually had someone monitoring the economy and making timely balance changes, so they deserve to be splashed with some tears, but seriously something needed to be done. Sorry if it was your toy they toned down, but honestly the income sources in this game need a fair bit more rebalancing if Eve is going to continue, at least as an interesting game worth playing.

Do what you feel is necessary. I caution you though, that nerfs almost always look and feel worse at the time. You, or somebody else, will figure out another way to play the game and achieve your goals. You are in real danger of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Rain6637
NulzSec
#11 - 2017-06-11 07:55:21 UTC
They also added a higher chance of NPCs attacking fighters instead of... the Super hull? Why would they attack the hull at all (who does that)
Mark Marconi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2017-06-11 08:05:04 UTC
This really is one of those cases where a nerf is effecting a tiny amount of the population of EvE but because that same fraction is of the more vocal variety it looks like this is more than what it really is. A storm in a tea cup.

Given that even after all these years and all of the nerfs to high sec play, the majority of players still remain in hi-sec. So this change has no effect on them.

But at least you have the support of the CSM.....Oops nope, they approve of this nerf. Big smile

Apologies for the schadenfreuder

The CSM gets in the way of CCP communicating properly with the players of this game.

After all we are not just players, we are customers.

Time for the CSM to be disbanded.

Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
#13 - 2017-06-11 08:06:52 UTC
If they really wanted to get rid of cariers doing this ratting, why they would not make it impossible for carriers to do it by spawning pirate titans with no bounties that would oneshoot them in those high end anomalies?
Skorpynekomimi
#14 - 2017-06-11 08:19:27 UTC
All ten of you nullbears and your 50+ alts each are going to cancel your tickets to an event?
Oh noes.

Stop whining already. They've been steadily ******* with high-sec for years, and this is the only time it's affected your overinflated supply of free money. You nullbears have no idea how the economy works, you just sit there PvEing all day on ten accounts rolling n the ISK and showing up for CTAs, or docking up when someone rolls into the system.
Maybe when you can't trade all that ISK for real money, you'll get REALLY mad. What are you gonna do then? Unsub? Oh, you already did that.
You're like tiny little dogs thinking they can stop a train by yapping at it.

Economic PVP

Rain6637
NulzSec
#15 - 2017-06-11 09:18:01 UTC
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
#16 - 2017-06-11 09:35:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Rain6637 wrote:
overinflated supply of money like... a casino?

Actually loteries could serve as a money sink. Cassinos too. People give small amounts of money in hope to get big winings and some of this money is taken away from the system. Only those things would have to be managed by NPCs in the game.
Rain6637
NulzSec
#17 - 2017-06-11 09:42:57 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
overinflated supply of money like... a casino?

Actually loteries could serve as a money sink. Cassinos too. People give small amounts of money in hope to get big winings and some of this money is taken away from the system. Only those things would have to be managed by NPCs in the game.

I disagree with an official gambling mechanic though. It becomes an exploit of people's addictions.

Hey I kinda like this derail
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
#18 - 2017-06-11 09:58:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
I think they exploit these psychological mechanics already just by making use of RNG and random loot mechanic in the game, and PvP fights are fairly random and exciting. It would be just another means of gambling. Risk is addicting.
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#19 - 2017-06-11 10:11:50 UTC
Black Pedro wrote:
Smuff Gallente wrote:
I propose that as a proportional response to CCP's Tuesday Nerf we as the community Cancel our Eve Vegas tickets and demand a refund and that en-mass cancel our paid accounts. they want to hurt us in our wallet's lets hurt them in there's
Dude, they are just doing what is necessary to balance their game. Sure, this drastic and inelegant solution probably could have been avoided if they actually had someone monitoring the economy and making timely balance changes, so they deserve to be splashed with some tears, but seriously something needed to be done. Sorry if it was your toy they toned down, but honestly the income sources in this game need a fair bit more rebalancing if Eve is going to continue, at least as an interesting game worth playing.

Do what you feel is necessary. I caution you though, that nerfs almost always look and feel worse at the time. You, or somebody else, will figure out another way to play the game and achieve your goals. You are in real danger of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

The real problem here it is a cumulation of bad decisions over past two years. Escalations farming lead to decrease the value of faction BSs you can buy faction BS cheaper than navy hull (CCP was told that it was bad decision several times). In the meantime we have citadels and assets safety mechanism introduced (so ISK is staying on the market). Rorq and carriers changes - another ISK injectors into economy (pure ISK from bounties and mineral market crash). Suddenly we have so much ISK but nothing to spend them on and more incoming. Cherry top is ghost traning exploit didn't fixed for months becuase CCP earning RL money on SP extractors. It's like nobody in CCP see all the cake only parts of it. CCP Quant only added fuel to the fire on reddit, he knows the economy is in a bad shape but have no idea about game mechanics.

Now to SP trading. CCP was told there may be situation like with carriers. Players will buy SP injectors and after that hull will be nerfed (and it's from pve side, madness). One may say extract and sell SP then but what if they where bought with RL money? If not SP trading will there be so many carrier pilots? or multiboxing rorqs?

It's not the end of the nerfs. T3C "balance" is coming.

"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville

Rain6637
NulzSec
#20 - 2017-06-11 10:49:27 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
I think they exploit these psychological mechanics already just by making use of RNG and random loot mechanic in the game, and PvP fights are fairly random and exciting. It would be just another means of gambling. Risk is addicting.

Compared to other games, most of the products and items you buy or receive in EVE are straightforward. There are situations like loot drops and anomaly spawns, but they're not directly connected to real-money purchases in an EVE store. I hope this is intentional and they keep it up.
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