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Actualy CCP removes POS from game.


And what do you think about replacing carriers with dreads as main ratting tool?

POS need to stay... its the only mobile safe heaven for supercapitals

LOL we are not considering Keepstars as main save heaven to these ships righ?

WTB keepstar in every system!!!

If the money supply grows too fast you'll end up with inflation....potentially alot of inflation, especially if players feel they need to carrier/super rat to keep up--i.e. a positive feedback loop.

You need to look at flows, not stocks. If you don't know those two terms, GTFO.

I'm going to guess both. His blinkered world view won't let him see the data line. Were incursions causing a problem in March 2016? No. April 2016? No. May 2016? No. Is there any indication that incursions were a potential source of high inflation? No.

Okay, lets nerf incursions!

It is amazing because it is actually the exact same thing everyone is accusing CCP of doing. Of course, CCP has numbers on their side. Which is why the numbers have to be declared fake.

It is refreshing to see that people really are this blinkered. When given data that literally goes against their beliefs and statements it is the data that is wrong, not their beliefs. Nope, can't be those.

As i was one of the people who lost his **** over the changes, i do think this was a good call on your part to "nerf your nerf". That being said it doesn't change how i feel. I have spent years and tons or real money and isk to get my toon to be able to fly a nyx perfectly. and i am by no way a rich man in eve. I am in no way a 1%er! In my opinion after these changes that investment is not worth what i feel it was. i did not inject in to one i did it the hard way with sweat and time and real money though subscribing. now my huge ship that cost me 10s of billions of isk is not worth anything anymore to me. i don't want to stress that enough TO ME. I do understand that you need to keep the market and economy right side up. but if you would have never added the cheat code "injectors" this would have never been as big as a problem as it is today. You wanted to go in the direction of EA with **** ton of micro-transactions . even after people like me already have to omega to continue to have the same out of the game. you have turned it in to a pay to win game. and i for one will still be finding other things to play. after a good 11 years playing. one last note about the comments made by CCP Quant. It doesn't matter if we are being "whiners" or not its not a good business practice to talk **** about the so called "1 percent" even if it was tried to be swept under the rug. remember we paid for this game to keep running when your log in numbers where low and you did not know where this game would be going.

So this entitles you to ruin the games economy?

And when you started that training and plan were Nyxes that good? Did you see this kind of ratting income? Or did you want it irrespective of the ISK stream.



Because you new that is was going to be an ISK printing machine?



If people are using injectors to get into carriers and supers to rat, then the problem is not injectors, but carriers and supers and injectors are just bringing the problem forward as opposed to later.



So let me get this straight....CCP has a responsibility to keep the market and in game economy functioning smoothly. After all, much of everything in the game comes via the market, right? But CCP can't step on your toes doing it. You and your desires are sacrosanct and should not be put upon...even when there is an obvious problem. Presumably the problem is to be born by other players who are not the problem....and you aren't a whiner? Really?

A 10% nerf to your super is enough to make you quit?

I honestly have to ask if you are even playing the game. Seriously, when was the last time you took your super out to go stomp on another alliance in a war? These things don't get used offensively as it is, this nerf is going to have very little impact in PvP because nobody uses them anyway. Hell, carriers are a bit of a rarity too, its mostly just FAX and dreads.

Lets be realistic, if you are going to quit over this then you will be quitting over something else anyway. This isn't about PvP because nobody is using them unless they can guarantee their safety and it isn't about skill injectors. This is simply rage at money making machines getting a nerf, we have seen this **** before. Did CCP **** up? Yes. I have seen this coming from day one of the carrier changes which is why I didn't bother to train any alts into it, the only surprise is that it took this long.

Or as is my case, just the one.

In hindsight I should have trained the carrier because it went on for so long I could have made bank but I expected CCP to stop the problem a lot earlier. This is way bigger than the tracking titans were when they got nerfed.

Fine. Fine. Uhhh...fine, I guess.

All through this I have been disappointed in the way CCP have handled this. From the initial hammer-blow to the lack of communication or engagement with some creative potential solutions to this issue that don't have to ruin a ship class in PVP and PVE.

I cannot fly a carrier, it never particularly appealed to me, but I was very disappointed in such a massive change seemingly without producing the data that backs it up.

CCP Larrikin has produced the numbers that prompted the change. I would still like to see the raw data, but CCP have absolutely no reason to lie about those numbers. 46% of bounties to ~4% of players is a good reason to nerf the income stream of Carriers.

That said, not all that many people had an issue with nerfing the income stream, it was the chosen method for that nerf and the lack of communication and engagement with the community on other resolutions that seemed to be the bigger problem. CCP have taken that on board and lowered the nerf as a temporary measure whilst working on other methods of curbing the footprint of supers/carriers in ratting.

Good show. They need curbing, I don't think anyone can reasonably argue that who understands economics even slightly now that we have been presented with the data, but hopefully the devs and the community can find a reasonable way to nerf the stream without destroying the ship in the process.

I would still favour diminishing returns that kick in beyond a certain amount earned in a 24-hour cycle, resetting after DT. It wouldn't touch the smaller ships that can't earn close to the capacity of a carrier or super, but beyond a certain point, ratting in a carrier or super would be increasingly less efficient. Also have the side benefit of pushing people towards other activities with more risk: Exploration/PVP/Roams etc.

I've said that repeatedly, and I still think it has the potential to be the best solution. It has been pointed out that it would require regular monitoring, but then so would any change, including this nerf and future nerfs/buffs so given the choice....