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CCP is bunch of greedy and incompetent individuals...U Are making changes based on your monthly economy reports....assume that you target delve Region and Imperium...but CCP forgot one important fact...Delve region has at least 30000 players with best organization and its normal to have strongest economy.The real problems of EVE u are putting aside.With Citadels u are kill PVP on stations,with skill injectors u are **** up everthing....No quality changes in the last five years,except command destoyers..U promised many things and accomplish nothing. Trying to take money for nothing.
Honestly EVE is old, shabby, tired horse that pulls the failed releases, such as Dust and Valkyrie....EVE players need to pay for CCP incompetence.The only thing that keeps EVE alive is EVE Community and average player. Do not treat us as like people with developmental disabilities

Last five moths I was ratting to 6 hours per day to buy Supercarrier and I trained skills for 6 moths and CCP say to me now, that I did it for nothing...CCP Larrikin do you think that the average EVE player live long as turtles???

To CCP Larrikin..... You are not our space friend...We can not be friends,,You are in EVE because of money, I'm in EVE because I love EVE.

Maybe it's time that Eve died on this PC...CCP Good Job

Lmfao VNIs will continue to be an ez mode 20m per hour that can be multiboxed with minimal effort, but god forbid the ships that cost way more than a cruiser and need to be actively managed to pull ticks make isk even somewhat proportionate to their cost, right?

The worst part about this, is it's not even just a PvE nerf. No, you nerf the PvP aspect of an already gimped ship class that you already nerfed to the ground a couple months ago. As if the 300% increase in fighter sig and the tracking nerfs weren't enough, now LR fibos get a 30% reduction in damage as well?

Hey CCP, when was the last time one of you sat in a super and PvPd? Especially against a gang of AB Armor cruisers, or T3s? They can pretty much permanently tank a super. Let that sink in for a second. A 100m isk cruiser, can permatank a 30b isk ship. Because I guess balance is a thing. We're also not even getting into fighters being incredibly easy to defang or jam out.

Honestly, if you're going to nerf something, how about you actually try it out for yourself in an actual combat situation before you go full ****** on an entire class of ships? Thanks.

Oh, and while we're at it, can we talk about the 0 risk hi sec incursions that you can practically afk in and pull higher ticks than a super will be pulling after this patch? You know, if you're so concerned with that isk facet and everything.

My main complaint with this is that I feel these actions are being taken a little too aggressively.

If you look at all of the monthly economic reports since the start of the year, every month, the economy lost active isk. This totaled to some 141.5 Trillion active isk lost. Every month so far this has been the case. The only exception to this trend was May. Carrier changes happened well before May.

Before I continue, I'd like to make the assertion that faucet or not, it doesn't really matter, because the net effect on the economy of any one given action is what matters.

For the past 3 months, the economy has had less and less active isk. May was the first time this year the economy gained active isk, and it was a paltry 15t, compared to the 141.5 that was lost from it. Something to keep in mind, carriers were not changed at the start of May to make them suddenly better to cause this. If you guys are insistent on making the economy lose isk, then the issue lies in something else.

My best guess would be what is the issue is more people ratting to this degree, not the quality of this type of ratting. The main reason I say it this way is there is going to be a baseline. Nerfing income is like whack-a-mole. So you've nerfed supers and carriers, okay. Most of these pilots are experienced members of the community. For a good number of them, they are going to then look at the money they are making, look at other options, and then move over to other said options. You could nerf Supers to the floor, but that isn't going to stop these pilots from making that level of isk. Think of it this way, how many people know a guy that used to super rat, but with the recent injector addition, have switched over to just farming that instead?

Basically, nerfing an isk faucet is a waste of time, because all that will do is push people over to the next isk faucet. If you want to make meaningful changes to the faucet nature of the game, you either have to nerf all of the faucets so that people don't just move down one rung, or you have to give the isk a place to go.

Looking at the economy reports, the far more troubling issue for the economy is that the places that isk can go into has been dwindling. This is probably due to the nature of citadels, as well as people starting to wind down pos usage due to incoming changes.

You say that having such a large isk faucet is bad for the game? I would challenge that by saying it is good for the game, as that is the only LOCAL isk faucet that most people have access to. Most people are null players, hate to say it, but its true. What you need to do is not blanket nerf that faucet, you need to make it dynamic to encourage movement. What makes sense to me, make it so that regions get fatigue(but only in extreme ratting levels), but regenerate it quickly. This would then encourage people to invade their neighbors for areas because their area doesn't pay out as much anymore. You need to encourage people to spend, not encourage people to not do something.

The problem is, which citadels being infinitely anchorable in a system, you guys kinda screwed the pooch and made it so that people are just too entrenched. If you have to clear 30 citadels out of a system to take it with some security, you probably are going to be reluctant to do that. You speak of weaponized boredom and stopping that, well, welcome to the citadel version. Where for a mere 1 billion isk, you can continue to bore you enemies for another week.

tl;dr: The problem isn't making the isk, its that there's no real encouragement to spend it.

ok so im starting to see a pattern here, you dont want pirate battleships used in fleets and now it would seem you don't want people to effectively make money in carriers or supers either.

Then you dial down the escalation chance and not the ship thats running the sites to get them and what dictates the price of the escalation is that the minimum drop is 130m so buying the escalation you atleast make 30m+ a little bounty if you dont get the drop. therfore getting a little reward for shelling out isk and taking a gamble on the bookmark

Nope, just a professional ratter who has been down this road with CCP a million times. If I'm not worried, you shouldn't be either.

Would you like to make an isk bet paying 4 or 5 months from now, I'm down for that.

Closing ISK faucets is not going to raise PLEX demand....new goods, content and services will.

You will only have a bladder effect where more season and ingame wealthier players will inject skills to the new NORM of maxing out ISK making. Its a cat and Mouse game that Skill Injectors have given the mouse faster legs.

GIVE PLAYERS and GROUP of players MORE CONTENT and you will have more demand for ISK. Spice up PI with rare loot with an archaeological module, Captain quarters personalizaron, Station Walking, , Corp and Alliance Halls. It sounds silly but making more things to buy and make is the way you have more demand for isk.

Rebalancing will only go so far, you want more $$ and a bigger economy? make a bigger game.

A carrier that costs 20 times that of a VNI and actually requires paying attention should make much more per hour not to mention the content it provides other people.

wait until they are near lowsec gates and wait on the other side for the dumbasses who accidentally jump through lmao

There is nothing to listen to (other than the concern about PVP capability). People are being dumb about all this, mostly because they don't know enough not to.

It's going to be ok. It will take a while to deplete some stockpiles of dead space gear, blueprints and built pirate ships. it will take some time for the lessening of the isk supply to be felt. But after it does ratters will be in a better place than we are now.

All of which is moot. Almost none of you are actually going to quit, almost all of you are going to benefit from this change in short order, and CCP is not going to pull back from this change no matter how many times ISD has to clean this thread of profanity (lol).

TL;DR this is yet another 'blowing off steam' thread that CCP puts up to let you get it out of your system. Nothing you say is going to change anything.