EVE General Discussion

Why does everyone has to "equal" in MMOs ? To run around in the same top gear at the same maximum level, with the same top stats etc. ? Why can't there be difference in a way that someone who invests more time/energy becomes stronger than others ?

And for EVE: why are there only 5 levels to each skill, so that everyone runs around with the same "capped" skill-sets after a while ? Why not give more specialisations skills for certain weapons, so that people can train 5 or 15 years, with diminishing returns and higher training time each tire/level of skill ? Oh yes, they scream : BALANCE. I can't hear that anymore. Everything and everyone must be in BALANCE and equal, superiority is SIN and NOT ALLOWED !!!

BALANCE is not realistic: In RL there is no balance as well, and how can there be balance in a space universe, with such a diversity of races and technologies. Balance actually kills the immersion - it makes everyone equal like in an unrealistic, artificial communist society. It kills all the fun which comes from the strive for constant improvement and finding a way to beat the other guy.
There is no taste of progression after a while, when one gets "capped" with skills for a certain ship. In other games that usually i the moment where people quit (top level, top gear = nothing to do anymore = move on to another game). What's so bad about giving a vet, who keeps training his missile skills for 5-10 years, 20 % more damage than to someone who invested only 5 months training time in missiles ? Will this really ruin the game and make everyone quit ? If someone gets spanked by a stronger guy in RL, he doesn't commit suicide as well, just because it's so unfair that there are stronger people than him on earth.

This.

That's more WoW-like. Including all the other crap that calls itself MMO, although they are only a sad excuse.

in EVE its not the limit of skills, its the combination of skills that make a character strong.

Ofc. Eve is better in this regard than other MMOs (that's why we play it and don't play that wow-clones for longer than few months). But here you get the cap as well, after you trained all the skills that are affecting the ship you fly. If you prefer to fly sub-capital ships, this can happen quite fast, and then you are "maxed" and are forced to be equal. There should be soft caps, not hard caps, skill communism is a bad feature imho.

You mean kind of like how it works in EVE? Well… good news: this is EVE, and it already works like that.

It's a horribly bad idea to go for that kind of focus, though, because it makes you awful.


Oh, and no, it's not a bad feature — it's what makes the EVE skill system different (and vastly superior) to pretty much every other MMO skill/ability system out there, because it means what you actually know matters more than what your character knows.

This might be how Eve seems to you, young padawan, but in the Eve which i play, the skills that contribute something to the ship are limited and can be capped (depending on shiptype) in a rather short time.

Posting in an incoherent rant thread

Just rising the quota of feminine avatars seen in nonsensical threads.

Elude what?
…according to a system that already works just like you want it to work and which is only a part of a larger whole that creates the differences you're looking for.
Ooook. No. So yeah, you really need to get out of your cocoon if that's how you think the game works.

The EVE skill system makes it about as unequal you can get without adding the idiotic artificial unequality you see in level/class-based games.
Of course it can. In fact, the skill systems itself denies it. This system actually allows for superiority, unlike pretty much every other system in existence.

Rather, the key word here is the one you slipped in there: “progression”.
You are still confusing EVE with those other MMOs if you think it has anything to do with skills…