EVE General Discussion

Making my prediction now that this thread will end up at 30 pages, and that we all know how it will play out.

or drunk

Being foolish and imprudent should never be rewarded or protected. If you foolishly overload your ship in terms of cargo value you deserve what you get.

Note: The "you" above is the indefinite "you".

got some news for you .. watch list originally was called buddy list . and was not intended as an intel tool .
it became a crutch , a convenience , an insurance policy , and certain playstyles evolved around it .
it gave some aspects of the game too much safety , and removing it was a good thing .

now there's a bit more risk .. empire dec'ers can't be sure of the enemies online numbers . is that such a bad thing ?
null sec hot droppers can't be sure they're not being baited for counter drop . is that such a bad thing ?

the crutch has been kicked out from under those who relied on it ; adapt or die time ..

Were it up to me™ :


There would be two kinds of corps: Asset holding and "LLC" (limited liability). To be an assent holding corp you would need real assets in space (citadel, poco, etc.). If you were just an LLC, you would have little more than a "social club" at that point: a chat room and no assets. LLCs would also lack other benefits that a holding corp has. LLCs would have to rely only on NPC stations and only allowed one office.

(LLCs would be allowed to join alliances and would be part of alliance wars just not directly deccable or deccing on their own)

Only holding corps would be deccable or could wardec. This would be the "skin in the game" concept. You want to dec people, you gotta have attackable assets in space. You want to be a "real" corps and rake in some ISK, you have to have assets in space... and you better defend them too. (Read: "reasons to undock").


Holding corps in a war are authorized to anchor "scanning arrays" that are attackable but would yield close to real time data on war targets. Think "Imperial scanning drone" of the sort that found the rebel base. This would be the functionality of a watch list in deployable object form.


And finally, anybody engaging in neutral RR would become a war target to the opposing force until the end of the war. if more than 50 percent of members of a corp of any type engage in NRR then that corporation has joined the war until it's over. Period. Put up or shut up time. (or: in before HTFU cultists and their usual "I declare I'm better than you because game mechanics" BS).

I would also add in the ability to cloak a citadel ("pirate modules"? ) . Why? To make spying great again. And because that would be cool.

Also, were it up to me, wardecs would be something less psychologically heavy on players. How? Simple. Naval NPC corps for each faction are at war with each other. Think "automatic faction war for noobs". Noobs who start out in their factional naval academy are at war with the other factions per faction war, but with the exception that they are not prevented from going into the space of other empires. Why do this? So new players have a shot at being scrappy PVPers instead of perfumed princes in bling boats.

I would also have NPC corps randomly wardec each other. Aliastra and Native Fresh Food might have a beef once in a while . No pun intended. Perhaps Royal Amarr Institute might want to lay some discipline down on The Scope for reporting on those nuns with their bad habits. Who knows.


That's what I would do to "fix" wardecs. And this is based on years worth of reading opinions of other players who are much better at this game than I am.

Yeah I been watching that "Sack of Romi" thread and I see your point.

Hate wardecs? Create a 1 man corp.
Hate flying alone? Join the "Atomic Space Unicorn Guild" or turn your corp into something similar.

Problem solved. And eventhough I have a near perfect solution, I'm still having trouble recruiting people....

Start slagging vendetta off in c&p,
We caught a dec in under five minets of my last thread going up

Some good points in here and some that probably needed a little bit more though. For example:

Why don't you leave your corp and close it - This is why we need to improve warring so this doesn't happen.

Meh so what they are wasting ISK - Again, I have to ask why this is an acceptable way for the warring mechanic to be.
Flag as harassment - No this is not harrassment it's valid albeit crap way, in it's current state for many, to play the game
Watchlist was the catalyst for war decs becoming the way they are today - may be however the reason for the changes in watchlist were valid. That said watch list, in my eyes, should be something that comes available to both parties (name of member online, their location, what ship they're in) obviously some sort of scale for the cost of war decs should be attached here
couldnt care about the war itself just means I go afk until it's dropped - For someone raging about "lazy easy game play" that's quite the hilarious stance to have. - Can't you see this, again, is why it needs looking at.

I'm sure there are more examples of replies to my OP where if you think 1 step further, you are indirectly adding a positive angle to why war deccing needs looking at.

In my mind watchlist should be a service of war dec. note my point about cost of war dec should scale.

questions need asking:
"as a war dec merc what tools do you need" and the answers to these questions form the bill for war dec.
"As a defender in a war what tools do you need" and the answers to these questions help form the bill too.

Of these answers there will be things both sides need and want and there will be other things one side wants but the other does not. That for me is a war dec mechanic.

From a "global" point of view, more incentives to attack / defend and make it a much more engaging part of the game instead of lets all sign out on the peri gate with our alt logi scrubs and neut eyes and go to war with half of eve ever week.