EVE General Discussion

For someone raging about "lazy easy game play" that's quite the hilarious stance to have. Which probably makes sense since your whole point&post is quite hilarious.

Actually the system as a mechanic is quite good though a number of improvements could be made, the biggest issue is the lack of anything tangible to fight over, closely followed by what war deckers have turned into in hisec, which is kill farmers around trade hubs, pipes and mission hubs, mostly on the foolish nullsec players who go shopping in hisec and are utterly clueless about war decs..

You obviously moved something shiny and they hope that you will be stupid enough to move that shiny while under a war dec, but as it is five war decs and they have not found out that war decking you is a waste of ISK then they are the stupid ones, so far you have cost them 250m for no gain, well done, keep it up. I happen to have taken your post as laughing at VMG for war decking you again after no kills and wasting their ISK, and I would agree, the target selection of VMG sucks big time.

Perhaps more interesting is to have an alternative location to operate in rather than go AFK, after all you can still play the game and not play their game.

As far as something tangible. I have first hand knowledge of hiring a group, to shut down several groups of crabs humping rocks for our focused "target" at that time. The idea was to choke out their production and resources. Meanwhile we were "cloaky" grinding their belt ratters and clueless pubbies.

It was a strategic move.

I also have been aware of a group hiring a MERC organization to war dec a competing mining / industrial corp. I have seen this many times.

If I would make a subjective assumption, is that crabs are responsible for most of the war decs. So basically it is the rsik averse crowd sending the MERCs to disrupt the other risk averse crowd for resources and market shares.

i think our killboard says pretty much everything about our current thoughts on empire war

War decs need to change so that any character that is not involved in the war cannot interact with either side. Basically the removal of neutral logi. I have seen so many hi sec war dec corps that have only a few members and then 20 neutral logi jump on grid as soon as you fight back. Remove neutral logi. They are a plague just like how off grid boosting was.

Don't think there will ever be a "fix". Either you have both parties (in a war) interested and they end up having fun in a dedicated conflict that would channel all their resources and time into memorable "good fights"; or you have the "hide and seek" comical situation where most conflict happens on various social media plaforms.

Unless EvE is turned into a dedicated war game (but then it would stop being a sandbox), there's nothing developers can do here because interaction in the game is entirely done by players and, while you can force conflict through mechanical tweaks and gameplay patches, you can't decide or chose for the players.

You can remove neutral logi by shooting them with npc corp alts. Those are not even dedicated logi pilots but alts. A "neutral" neut/jam ship can turn off the whole logi chain.

I don't see why people stick to high sec and it's BS mechanics rather than live in spaces where they can have the support of allies (null sec) or actually exert some control on space itself (wormholes and controlling access to them). Hell, there are even quiet pockets of low sec off the beaten path with good mining and pve oppurtunities, or barring all that there are high sec islands where war deccers (and gankers etc) don't even go.


High Sec is the place where unaware people play, those 'unaware/too casual for their own good' people attract other people who want to exploit those weaknesses (scammers, gankers, war deccers etc) and the people in the middle (like then OP) get caught up in all that. When will people figure out that the issue isn't war decs (which will never ever work right, they are a flawed solution for more flawed space), The problem is "Mainland" High Sec?

First of all you need to realise that a lot of hisec characters are in fact indy alts of null sec players, I know quite a few who have large indy setups operating with characters who are skilled in indy only and can never fight as they have no skills to PvP.

Next hisec is not safe at all, I have seen people lose billions of ISK in assets in the pipes.

I would also ask you why did you not as Executive Outcomes go after the mercs in hisec who war decked your alliance and blew up some of your ships when in hisec? Not worth it? Well you did answer that you used third parties or out of alliances alts to move your stuff, so it was not worth your while, what your alliance did is what most people do in hisec, I can hardly blame hisec players for doing what us null sec players do can I, and really can you?

I am not trying to directly attack you but want you to think about it, and you are right in one important area, yes some of the richest players in the game are market traders, they never leave certain stations let alone get near lowsec. But trying to say that those people represent the risk reward of hisec is a bit out of kilter and something that people seem to ignore when talking about risk and reward in terms of hisec..

The war dec system is also badly used by people who just want things to shoot at so they blanket war dec, these are meaningless conflicts with neither having any real iron in the fire so to speak and that is why war decs in hisec in the main are a great steaming pile of poo.

Incursions are very high return, but only so many spawn at one point in time and if only one spawns that is painful and to be honest they bore me to death, I also found that quite a few null sec players run them, but there are dedicated high sec players.

Level 4's are not that good but that is really a question of how you run them, you blitz and focus on LP and away you go and when you look at burner missions that is a step up as the LP benefit is huge, they are a real gold mine. However the added LP has issues in that people do start to try to go after you in those mission hubs. Because I did not blitz I was not a very good level 4 runner, and never got anywhere near what Jenn did for example. Moving stuff in hisec is dangerous, period, it is a different kind of danger, but you are right if you know what you are doing you can be very safe in hisec. PI was one area where I made a billion each month in hisec with limited exposure to lowsec.

From my perspective hisec is low income, I compare myself to what I get now just VNI ratting with two toons, carriers are too annoying with the fighters coming to a full stop for full BS damage, I hate it, so I VNI rat, that gets me 32m a tick (16m per toon) which is not far off of a single smart bomb ratter, which I leave to people who have less disposable time than me.

I don't know what it is but every time I go to null sec I always end up a lot richer then when I am in hisec.

You have to be careful in comparing the absolute maxed out value of things, which is the issue I have always had with Jenn who is obviously a very good PvE player and tells us that quite often too, but when I was in hisec talking to hisec casual players the majority of them were so much poorer than those in null sec by orders of magnitude.

I tried to save people from being ganked for quite some time, yes there was stupid people, but there was also people who were caught even after every precaution, it was not just the stupid getting caught, the gankers are highly efficient and organised and who are pillaging a player sub set who are often operating alone, many have the only option of just docking up and waiting it out if moving stuff by freighter. Not just stupid, just easy prey...

War decs from the main camp humpers can easily be avoided, I totally agree, the last couple I had I operated with no issues at all, though I had to modify my behaviour, but as I know what their strategies and tactics are it was easy. The people who carry on in main mission hubs, using the pipes and going to the main market hubs when war decked are stupid, you have to do different things and so many don't bother and they are the same who log off when an AFK cloaky camper is in local in null sec. It is an attitude.

Anyway I think the war dec system is not the issue, it is quite good and just needs some improvements, it is peoples situation and attitudes on both sides.

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