EVE General Discussion

well it was your idea to sell it somewhere else if you want to make a profit
anyway all im saying is the economic model of the game can use some improvements
especially with industry and especially where newer players are concerned
what i see are some people being defensive and trying to belittle me
i can only assume this means these people think this game has a perfect economic model and that it cant be improved on in any way

look at this post

this is the post i was talking about and the thread title
im not talking about the moon goo or the t2 production
im talking about ccp meddling with mineral costs
and complaining about the damage theyve caused by doing it

Please look at the link in the OP. They are not talking about minerals. Unless there is some other change there should not be a dramatic impact to mineral prices. And if there is one, it will be to lower the price of minerals...although I doubt it will be that noticeable.

Befor I grew more into my pod, I undersold ships and consumables for less the the price of the minerals before I learned better. Didn't hurt me much because I was mining my own minerals so no overhead.

Just sold lower than the others

Well yes, null wont be effected by the changes when they build their caps but pilots in null (odd that there are a number of cap pilots in null) will see a rise in the cost of the ships. No one know for sure except for CCP how many caps are built in lowsec vs null but we can say at least a significant amount of them are in Thukker arrays. Lowsec corps can build for cheaper near the markets they sell in. Nullsec corps generally sell to their own organizations when possible as the cost/risk to deliver their product to high volume markets can be difficult to compete with the builders close to home.

And no, its very easy to acquire compressed ore in Jita, freight, JF, courier, etc it to build location and build caps without ever turning on a mining laser.

Nullsec builders will see their margins improve and have a higher incentive to bring their caps to lowsec markets near trade hubs.

Lowsec builders will see their margins shrink which will slow down lowsec production and raise prices.

In the end Lowsec becomes less competitive to nullsec builders and that's what this whole discussion should really be about. Does CCP not want lowsec to have its advantage? Does CCP want to push cap industry deeper into nullsec and for what reason? Does CCP realize what they're doing with a single number?

Nothing to be butt hurt about, people adapt and the ones that adapt faster make more isk. Change is good for EVE. I just want to know whats going on at CCP when they throw ideas on sticky notes and slap them on the "idea wall", why those changes were desired in the first place. Some Dev somewhere was looking at stats and numbers of where industry is happening, where conflict could be occurring, how they could tweak things to get more subs, and while sipping a cup of coffee pointed at the sticky that said "**** lowsec people, they're making too much isk" told his favorite programmer "make it happen" and we get 3.7% on a rig instead of a service module, that can only ever be T1 and the bonus that has made cap production viable in lowsec gets nerfed to the point that people have to rethink if what they just invested 30bil isk into 4 months ago when they added ECs is even profitable.

Had the industry people known that the Thukker *Rig* was going to get a nerf when they gutted the Thukker Array do you think there would be so many people dropping manufacturing ECs in lowsec 4 month ago? Some sure, certainly not all of them there are now.

This is way too low, they need to add a couple zeroes to that, have these jump maybe 1000% or so.

All the caps, citadels, etc. etc. its all too spammable and rediculous. When a cap jumps in on grid its like meh, o look, another cap....
Where it should be like holy crap ! a cap !

Not to mention there needs to be a serious, and I mean a serious sink for all those plex hoarders and this would ceirtainly be a step in the right direction.

Its curious that NS didnt exploit the vast bounty potential before.

I dont think its particularly related to wars (or lack thereof) either.

Wasnt related to any game changes either, since afaik no changes where made to the anoms/sigs, nor the ships used to run them, before or after this activity took on such magnitude.

I suppose it was just something that as word got around became a trend as more and more people realized the huge rewards they had been overlooking.

Nerfing caps instead of the sites bounties may have been the wrong way to around "fixing" the huge amount of isk this was introducing, but it is what it is now..

Yes in a game of internet spaceships nobody needs ships.

Prior to the change to fighters I don't think that capability was quite there. And if you look at the time series data we can see that the growth rate of the money supply was volatile. A month of high growth followed by a month of large negative growth. These changes were averaging out close to the historical average, but then last month it took off like a rocket.

I still think the current fix is way too ham handed and that CCP should be looking for a better solution such as a new type of anomaly. This anomaly can really only be done with say either a carrier or super carrier or possibly a fleet of some kind. Nevyn made a suggestion along these lines. His idea was interesting in that the rewards would be shared with everyone on grid that is not cloaked. The idea was to promote some spontaneous cooperation. But these anomalies would help mitigate the flow of ISK into the game.

Another option suggested by baltec1 was to have agents in NS outposts and possibly even in citadels. And instead of an all ISK payout that there also be bounties as well. Obviously the LP stores/reward process would need to be re-worked so that the markets for such items do not get wrecked. The nice thing about this is that it would require less territory even for a large group. After all agents are non-rivalrous in their use. I can be talking to the agent at the exact same time you are talking to the agent, We can both get missions as well. That is agents could provide missions for 1 person in system as well as 1,000 (although with the latter TiDi might become an issue).

Fighters went from doing T1 battleship DPS to 3-4x that.

Aggregate bounty payouts have been on their way up ever since, catalyzed by injectors. Demand for ratting carriers and supers is probably the only thing that's been propping up the mineral market the past few months.