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Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
#181 - 2017-06-02 16:30:59 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Mental conditioning aside, Achura do tend to find the capsule attractive for about the same reason our monks tend to practice martial arts so much: shifting the borders of what constitutes the "self."

Traditional: practice with that [insert weapon here] until it becomes a part of your arm. Train until you move and act without thought, as naturally and automatically as wind blows or water flows. Be a sword, be a knife, be a gaffe hook and pole-- and realize, in that time, where is "self"?

Capsule: jack into a chunk of technology and poof, you're a supercarrier. Where is "self"?

You can maybe see the appeal of taking the kinda-sorta shortcut and getting to see the stars in the bargain instead of being stuck on Achura all your life.


Precisely.

There are no monolithic organizations and you pointed several good reasons for our people to take the leap. I was merely pointing to a certain framework of mind processes that are common to our people and foreing to others.

And since you got to that point, you know what is like to be, and you know our capsuleer path is a shortcut for several years of training to get to that position. Project transcendence is an extensions of this, but instead of a knife or a supercarrier, a shortcut to be one with the universe.

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Arrendis
TK Corp
#182 - 2017-06-02 16:53:52 UTC
Jev North wrote:
I suspect it's (another) few filter effects. At a guess, it might be things like the nice, sane, and well-socialized capsuleers tend to stay inside Empire capsuleer programs, rather than the wild independent bunch. Or the demands of being a successful independent capsuleer requiring quite a lot of bloodshed. The gentler souls wash out, eventually, or the weight of it all simply starts fracturing our psyches in interesting ways.


There's a world of difference between those who prosecute violence as part of their duties, and those to adopt violence as their raison d'être. The second group are the ones who tend toward dementia.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#183 - 2017-06-02 16:55:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Arrendis
Graelyn wrote:
Given the low number of genome-compatible candidates, I imagine they take anything that pops the screening process.


If that were true, they wouldn't have been able to expand the empires' capsuleer programs last year with the alphas. Clearly, not everyone who can be an egger gets in.

Edit: And this applies just as well to every other form of the 'there's so few of us, obviously they take whatever they can get' nonsense. If it were that difficult to find people who can be eggers, they wouldn't have just massively expanded recuirtment across all four empires with an eye toward expanding the ranks of the Navies' capsuleer cadres, and doing it significantly.

Clearly, they were not taking everyone they could get, or they wouldn't have been able to widen recruitment. Which means some things have been screened. Psychotic tendencies should be among them—unless, of course, the specific intent is to ensure that capsuleers are constantly wigging out on one another and starting internicine wrs that prevent people from coming together to build something outside of the empires' ability to stop..

But who'd be that calculatingly inhuman and sadistic, to unleash that kind of hell on New Eden?

Oh, right. CONCORD. Nevermind!
Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
#184 - 2017-06-02 17:04:25 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Graelyn wrote:
Given the low number of genome-compatible candidates, I imagine they take anything that pops the screening process.


If that were true, they wouldn't have been able to expand the empires' capsuleer programs last year with the alphas. Clearly, not everyone who can be an egger gets in.


The alphas are just a cheaper clone that can get stuff done that pleases the empires. You reduce the maintenance of the workforce and those that excel get a better clone to do more stuff. Every ibis we get when we arrive in a station in a pod, every pod after we die, every clone bay and tech staff that monitors it, every clone and a lot of other support are financed by the empires. The alphas were just a way to spend less on us.

Nothing to do with compability to become a capsuleer.

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Arrendis
TK Corp
#185 - 2017-06-02 17:15:03 UTC
Morgana Tsukiyo wrote:
The alphas are just a cheaper clone that can get stuff done that pleases the empires. [. . .]

Nothing to do with compability to become a capsuleer.


The alphas also represented a massive expansion, numerically, of the empires' capsuleer programs. If in November of YC 118, 3x as many people were completing the capsuleer programs per week as in October, this does not represent a massive change in the human genome.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#186 - 2017-06-02 17:19:23 UTC
Morgana Tsukiyo wrote:
And since you got to that point, you know what is like to be, and you know our capsuleer path is a shortcut for several years of training to get to that position. Project transcendence is an extensions of this, but instead of a knife or a supercarrier, a shortcut to be one with the universe.


To be clear, it's not your weird project that I have a problem with, Ms. Tsukiyo. People have been trying such things probably since well before it was possible to network brains, and probably with about as much chance of success.

On that score, I wish you luck.
Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
#187 - 2017-06-02 17:23:06 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Morgana Tsukiyo wrote:
The alphas are just a cheaper clone that can get stuff done that pleases the empires. [. . .]
Nothing to do with compability to become a capsuleer.


The alphas also represented a massive expansion, numerically, of the empires' capsuleer programs. If in November of YC 118, 3x as many people were completing the capsuleer programs per week as in October, this does not represent a massive change in the human genome.


Of course it doesn´t. Simply means that those who were compatible but didn´t get in are now getting in because the budget allows the empires to finance their operations. How many pilots quit their operations due to expired plex? QE 4-He is very expensive.

People take our infrastrucutre for granted and forget that our operation is subsidized by the empires and concord. The moment they pull the plug on our clone systems we´re pretty much dead as a force and we would live in a world without capsuleers.

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Arrendis
TK Corp
#188 - 2017-06-02 17:41:31 UTC
Morgana Tsukiyo wrote:

Of course it doesn´t. Simply means that those who were compatible but didn´t get in


Morgana Tsukiyo wrote:

A capsuleer is a very rare breed [. . .] It´s not like they have an abundant supply to cherry pick from.


Do please try to keep track of what it is you're claiming. Because you've just contradicted yourself. You were arguing against the idea that the available pool of applicants was wide enough that not everyone who could get in was getting in, ie: they can be screening out the nutjobs.

Tell you what, though: how about I just pay attention to the people who don't openly tell me everyone should ignore them because nothing they say or do matters. Sound good? Eh, whatever you answer isn't important, so let's go with 'ok'.
Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
#189 - 2017-06-02 18:25:42 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Morgana Tsukiyo wrote:

Of course it doesn´t. Simply means that those who were compatible but didn´t get in


Morgana Tsukiyo wrote:

A capsuleer is a very rare breed [. . .] It´s not like they have an abundant supply to cherry pick from.


Do please try to keep track of what it is you're claiming. Because you've just contradicted yourself. You were arguing against the idea that the available pool of applicants was wide enough that not everyone who could get in was getting in, ie: they can be screening out the nutjobs.

Tell you what, though: how about I just pay attention to the people who don't openly tell me everyone should ignore them because nothing they say or do matters. Sound good? Eh, whatever you answer isn't important, so let's go with 'ok'.


- Capsule compability is rare. (Biology + Psychology)
- Not all of those that are compatible get in. (Money Limits + Individual traits and performance = Ranking)
- With new tech, more of those that are compatible get in. (Less expenditure = More people with the same money)

If you want to consider that criteria is cherry picking, than the issue it´s in your interpretation of a metaphor. Our kind continues to be rare, and the empires continue to do as much as they can with the budget they have, not picking who can be capsuleer as a whim.

But as you said, let´s go with 'ok'.

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Blade Darth
Room for Improvement
Good Sax
#190 - 2017-06-03 03:29:17 UTC
Let's get this offtopic back on topic, shall we?
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