Player Features and Ideas Discussion

okay this guy is just a troll right?


i mean he cant be this ignorant on so many things all at once

well problem is the things he pointed out are areas things are balanced. amarr has more cap their guns need more and its a racial advantage. shields have less base resists and less total hp because shields are a burst tank armor is a buffer tank. shields also have passive recharge to make up for it.

he says he can't get the rokh to have the same level of resists as an abaddon but a rokh can get far better resists with heat and active shield boosters are far stronger than armor reps.


abb has more PG because armor and lazors take more pg than shields and hybrids

yes the game has imbalance but he went to an area where it is not




his system wouldn't work any better than what we have now

1% to capacitor is not = to 1% structure ect

No, you could not do it on a literally 1 for 1 basis. You would have to weigh various traits and assign relative balance.

At the risk of boring you, I will provide an example from generic tabletop RPGs, specifically the Hero System.

In that game, all characters begin with the same starting points, and everything has a certain cost. A damaging power is 5 points per die, while passive defense is 3pts for 2 defense. Making an attack armor piercing increases the cost of the attack by 50%, making a defense hardened against armor piercing increases the cost of that by 25%. There are many advantages and disadvantages that can be applied to alter costs, all of which in theory make each attack unique, but more or less equal in power relative to cost.

There are many other offensive powers that do other things than just basic damage, comparable to Ewar and such. They all have costs weighted against the basic energy blast so that at the end of the day a character purchased for a given point value is more or less equal in power to any other based on the same number of points

It would take work to figure out where those base costs and adjustments need to be, but once that work was done and all your various traits had a baseline for cost then designing ships (and really everything else) would be much simpler to balance and when adjustments got made it would be easier to see how that would propagate through all the various items in game.

That's what we have now....

you don't need to say "to the developers". that's literally the point of this section of the forums.

So, first off, your example is bad.

Just looking at you base claim, that an Abaddon can get more resists than a Rokh, that's pretty much flatly incorrect. The Rokh and Abaddon are almost exactly equivalent in resists even though the Rokh only has six mid slots to fit modules in while the Abaddon has seven low slots. This is because the Rokh can take advantage of the higher bonus of an Adaptive Invulnerability Field where the Abaddon is stuck using Energized Adaptive Nano Plating which provides a lower bonus and when maxing out resists both ships will use at least one of each of these.

On top of that your general line of thinking here completely fails to look at what each ship trades away to achieve these results. The Abaddon needs to give up all of its low slots while the Rokh only gives up mid slots. This means that the Rokh can fit DPS upgrades while the Abaddon can't, which means in a straight up slug fest the Rokh wins.

However realistically it's even more complicated than that. Both ships are never going to fit pure tank, and each focuses on and trades away different things. They're not meant to be equivalent ships in any meaningful sense of the word, they're different hulls with different bonuses and they're naturally going to be better and worse at different things even though their base bonuses are fairly similar.

This whole idea that Eve's balance can be defined as a series of trade offs between stats, or even the idea that one ship from a given race should be equivalent to a different ship from a different race is ridiculous. The only thing of any value in this idea is as an example for how *not* to balance a game.

https://zkillboard.com/character/2112054380/ is a fun read, make sure to study his fittings.

He fits exhumers with what appears to be a triple tank- passive shield, armor, and hull reppers.

That should tell you the level and quality of thought that he puts into things. Repeatedly. I mean, *I* am on an obvious alt, but still, dang.

Yep. Takes all kinds. Behold the last 5 ships he's lost:
Mackinaw with nothing in mids: https://zkillboard.com/kill/61959878/
Skiff with armor and HULL repper, 59.8k EHP: https://zkillboard.com/kill/61626168/
Rettie with empty mid: https://zkillboard.com/kill/61615788/
Tayra with yet more oddness: https://zkillboard.com/kill/61537348/
Mack with a single small hull repper in mids: https://zkillboard.com/kill/61148464/

And there's more. He's been into hull reppers for a while, but seems to only have recently discovered that resists are a thing. Yield yield yield, then "hello CODE" and an explosion. Gotta admit, he does seem to have the balls to mine in lowsec.