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Expressing concerns about the reliability of Service

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2011-12-30 19:51:11 UTC
Kalin Trose wrote:


Why cant CCP make a patch that doesn't need fixing? Answer is for such a small mouth you've taken on more than you can chew.



Name one company that has EVER written a single program that didn't need patching. Please...I will patiently wait. Just one program from one company that never needed patching...

I'll go watch Jeopardy while I wait for the answer that will never come.

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Kalin Trose
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2011-12-30 20:26:47 UTC
Your in for a short wait my fellow capsuleer :

Every online multiplayer game has patches, thing is when an update is released they don't do numerous small patches for the main update. They have the update which works first time.

Most games I play right now have maybe 3 updates and then no more.

Yes these are not mmorpgs but still a game non the less.

Im no developer but what has a few hundred on sisi Vs thousands on TQ got to do with quality of final update? The code is the exact same isn't it? It's simply a case of much more load on the server.

Don't get me wrong this is a beautiful game and I love it :) But I do think that CCP even for its trying lacks quality control.

Ai Shun
#43 - 2011-12-30 20:37:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Ai Shun
Kalin Trose wrote:
Ok im gonna stand up for the OP here because it seems that the guys replying are either deluded or plain stupid.

In simple terms for those that need it.

Recently Hilmar made this awesome very public apology and then took us on this wonderful story about how he wants and demands perfection from here on in.

That perfection has not happened.

Yes GMs are active on the boards but that's pretty much the only thing that's been bettered.

This update has indeed brought numerous great things, new ships, new CQ but its also brought in patch after patch after patch after patch to fix the small things that :

SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE ON SISI FIRST

I wonder do CCP use the TEST SERVER for there fail patchs before they take them to TQ?

Old players will not come back to this, there is too much wrong with the game and that's a shame.

Why cant CCP make a patch that doesn't need fixing? Answer is for such a small mouth you've taken on more than you can chew.



Why can't you post without making a mistake? I do not care that you forgot your apostrophes. I do not care that you said "there fail patchs". But in the simple act of writing a forum post you made more mistakes than my six year old.

How easy do you think it would be to make a mistake or overlook something in such a complex system as EVE Online?

Edit: Even though the reference to grammar / spelling is intended in a jocular fashion, I am bound to make a mistake or two of my own. Please accept my humblest apologies for that.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2011-12-30 22:13:40 UTC
Kalin Trose wrote:
Your in for a short wait my fellow capsuleer :

Every online multiplayer game has patches, thing is when an update is released they don't do numerous small patches for the main update. They have the update which works first time.

Most games I play right now have maybe 3 updates and then no more.

Yes these are not mmorpgs but still a game non the less.

Im no developer but what has a few hundred on sisi Vs thousands on TQ got to do with quality of final update? The code is the exact same isn't it? It's simply a case of much more load on the server.

Don't get me wrong this is a beautiful game and I love it :) But I do think that CCP even for its trying lacks quality control.


I am still waiting...

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Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#45 - 2011-12-30 22:19:21 UTC
Nothing wakes up a new player like a large explosion.

I love constructive advice in the form of broad generalities...OP needs to improve posting skills.

-2/10 for the Chicken Little Effect

The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#46 - 2011-12-30 22:21:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Name one company that has EVER written a single program that didn't need patching. Please...I will patiently wait. Just one program from one company that never needed patching...

I'll go watch Jeopardy while I wait for the answer that will never come.

My “in-place string reversal through pointer juggling” command line program has never needed any patching. Does that count? P
Kalin Trose wrote:
Every online multiplayer game has patches, thing is when an update is released they don't do numerous small patches for the main update.
Yes, and that's a bad thing.
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They have the update which works first time.
Lolno. They just choose to accumulate all the new bugfixes into the next large patch rather than fix them ASAP.
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Most games I play right now have maybe 3 updates and then no more.
Sad, isn't it? You'd think companies would be more interested in actually fixing their software before going after the next new shiny thing.
Luh Windan
EVE G-O-A-T-S
Strictly Unprofessional
#47 - 2011-12-30 22:29:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Luh Windan
I'm really looking forward to playing on the MMO's made by those who seemingly know how to make perfect software.

Meantime in the real world (I've been in commercial software development since the late eighties) NASA once did a study and reckoned the very *best* you could do was one 'bug' every 100 lines of code. Most of these would not be a real problem - typos in comments or display strings etc. but of course some would be critical. my 25 odd years of Commercial software experience contains nothing to make me think this is wrong - and that includes working for a formula one race team.

If you want to wait until it is perfect you would still be waiting for the very first release of Eve.

Also - what is the big deal? I've been on loads since crucible release and apart from laughing at myself for bring impatient when down time is more than 10 mins I've noticed very little. Scanning was broken for a short period but nothing that I couldn't live with.
Kalin Trose
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2011-12-31 17:55:27 UTC
Which F1 team did you work for if I may ask?

Surely F1 teams run pretty much perfect software? I mean yes we see that Mark Webbers KERS fail ALOT more than Vettels [planned much?] but I think this past season that's the only issue on the cars. Very few if any failed engines at all.

I think I'm being ganged upon a little bit with people not seeing what my point is at all.

For myself the game runs fine, Scanning is a bit dodgy or was.....not scanned in a small time.

With that said I'm allowed opinions and I feel that CCP are trying too much at once with the workforce they have. Yes we have only had 2 months since the promise of a turn around but there are still failings.

Example :

The Xmas gift, some people cannot get it and have to petition to get hold of it. A gift is meant as a thank you from CCP to us in my opinion anyway. It should not be restrained to a certain time limit for redeeming.

If there was no time limit, there would be less petitions in the queue less workload on CCP and less work got devs/gms to answer forum topics about it.

I love the fact these small patches are continually fixing small problems without the long wait until big patch day. With that said these small problems shouldn't be there in the first place. A list should be setout with whats in the next big patch and the list should be finished then tested and re tested until it is deemed nearly or perfectly bug free.

If thats so wrong then shoot me.





Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2012-01-02 14:30:46 UTC
STILL waiting...

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Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#50 - 2012-01-02 14:43:33 UTC
Kalin Trose wrote:
Which F1 team did you work for if I may ask?

Surely F1 teams run pretty much perfect software? I mean yes we see that Mark Webbers KERS fail ALOT more than Vettels [planned much?] but I think this past season that's the only issue on the cars. Very few if any failed engines at all.

I think I'm being ganged upon a little bit with people not seeing what my point is at all.

For myself the game runs fine, Scanning is a bit dodgy or was.....not scanned in a small time.

With that said I'm allowed opinions and I feel that CCP are trying too much at once with the workforce they have. Yes we have only had 2 months since the promise of a turn around but there are still failings.

Example :

The Xmas gift, some people cannot get it and have to petition to get hold of it. A gift is meant as a thank you from CCP to us in my opinion anyway. It should not be restrained to a certain time limit for redeeming.

If there was no time limit, there would be less petitions in the queue less workload on CCP and less work got devs/gms to answer forum topics about it.

I love the fact these small patches are continually fixing small problems without the long wait until big patch day. With that said these small problems shouldn't be there in the first place. A list should be setout with whats in the next big patch and the list should be finished then tested and re tested until it is deemed nearly or perfectly bug free.

If thats so wrong then shoot me.


Oh we see your point, we just mostly agree its stupid and largely irrelevant.

The christmas gift thing has nothing to do with the code, its simply allowing people who for whatever reason didnt log in during the time it was available from the redeem items page to still claim their gifts. Since the gift was supposed to be for Sristmas anyway i think theyve been very kind in allowing people to claim it outside of that time period.

As for what you call the 'small problems' issue do you have any background in programming or quality assurance for computer games?? Because if you dont then you have no business trying to tell a company full of hundreds of people who do how to do their jobs.

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