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[Ramble/Rant] Understanding belief, reality and the Tribes.

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Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2017-05-17 10:22:23 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
It's okay, I can't expect better from southerners now, can I? Needing above freezing temperatures for some quality naked time, tsk tsk.


We did naked time in shelters.

Also, what's a bonfire to do against howling winter winds especially once we start leaving steepes territory into mountain territory? North Mikramurka doesn't even have a summer.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#22 - 2017-05-17 10:33:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
Found the context.

Now I am wondering that since I am a ghost, both technically (dead several times over but without anyone having performed the rites of letting me go), and legally (yes, my clan's deranged legal dept has actually used that as grounds to pass on my planetside assets to my adopted heir to secure them from my father's birth people - welcome to Rhiannon), could I actually invoke a death curse on every emergency cloning?

This is an important question, obviously.
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#23 - 2017-05-17 10:41:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
It's okay, I can't expect better from southerners now, can I? Needing above freezing temperatures for some quality naked time, tsk tsk.

Also, what's a bonfire to do against howling winter winds especially once we start leaving steepes territory into mountain territory? North Mikramurka doesn't even have a summer.

I believe even snow-eater country gets non-windy days. And they are quite nuts with the "watch me ignore cold" bravado (while obviously also being the masters of staying safe in it with proper equipment - the logic of these things is funny sometimes).

The thing about planets is that they are huge, so things vary. And they got weather, and seasons. Unlike stations, you can't just say this place is like that, it's got snow and howling winds. Because even if it does, most days, some days it does not.

That said, I suppose actual southerners would claim we don't have summers either. Having seen other places, I describe Rhiannon to have four seasons, all of which suck.
Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#24 - 2017-05-17 11:07:16 UTC
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
Found the context.

Now I am wondering that since I am a ghost, both technically (dead several times over but without anyone having performed the rites of letting me go), and legally (yes, my clan's deranged legal dept has actually used that as grounds to pass on my planetside assets to my adopted heir to secure them from my father's birth people - welcome to Rhiannon), could I actually invoke a death curse on every emergency cloning?

This is an important question, obviously.


It is an issue I have struggled with as well. Some parts of my clan are doing whatever they can to get me expelled, despite the effort and ISK I have put into terraforming projects both for the benefit of the people and the nature. Luckily I still have support from my family and the majority of my clan. And hearing your story makes me grateful of that.

If I understand your question correctly you wish to use emergency cloning so circumvent the suicide part of certain death rituals. I have to warn you and advice you against it. It is dangerous waters and it will only bring you closer to becomming something vile and twisted like a certain other person on the IGS who kills innocent for his 'God'. There are many other ways to resolve the issue / get your revenge. And I would gladly assist you as long as we find a way that doesn't end in blood.

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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#25 - 2017-05-17 11:16:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
No, I was thinking more on the terms that if I die violently anyway (which I do in an emergency cloning), do I have to actually stay dead to qualify for cursing someone's Fate? I am not planning to intentionally kill myself (temporally or permanently), just using the opportunity.

I should probably clarify I don't actually really believe in death curses, though they are in the mythology I subscribe to. Also that a major problem with that mythology is that it was mostly developed before cloning tech became common place.

Re the more serious stuff, I spent over a decade struggling with trying to fit my spaceside life into that of a very trad, high-class Mikramurka business/legal clan. It did not really work out in the end, but I've made my peace with it. If you want to talk about it sometime, feel free to contact me.
Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#26 - 2017-05-17 12:30:33 UTC
Well that is a good question. I must admit I often curse the ones killing me but I am not sure if it has any effect, other than my allies blasting them to bits and pieces but that tend to happen anyways.

It saddens me that you did not manage to fit in with your clan. But I am grateful that you still have found peace. It should be up to you if you want to talk about it. I don't want to dive into your past for my own sake. However I will always be happy to lend an ear if you need someone to talk with about it or if you need guidance.

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Arrendis
TK Corp
#27 - 2017-05-17 13:15:05 UTC
Mizhir wrote:
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
Do... do you not know how fire works?

I hope the ones who live in stations do. As someone who was lucky to grow up planetside I have danced around many bonfires.


Yeah, we can't do that on-station. We tried dancing around a water boiler from the heating system once when I was fifteen, but the adults caught us made us fix the reactor venting manifold instead, since we were so eager to spend time in a hot, dangerous environment.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#28 - 2017-05-17 13:21:02 UTC
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:

And they are quite nuts with the "watch me ignore cold" bravado (while obviously also being the masters of staying safe in it with proper equipment - the logic of these things is funny sometimes).


Gotta know the rules to get away with breaking them!

Quote:

The thing about planets is that they are huge


They're creepy! Asteroids so fat that the air itself is trying to crush you, but if it wasn't, there'd be nothing holding it in! It ain't natural, I tell you.

I mean, I know it's actually natural, but... THAT'S JUST CREEPY.
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#29 - 2017-05-17 13:35:28 UTC
The existence of Sebiestor more inept at being Sebiestor than the southerners is something I refuse to deal with at the moment.
Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#30 - 2017-05-17 13:46:39 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:

The thing about planets is that they are huge


They're creepy! Asteroids so fat that the air itself is trying to crush you, but if it wasn't, there'd be nothing holding it in! It ain't natural, I tell you.

I mean, I know it's actually natural, but... THAT'S JUST CREEPY.


I have known people who grew up on stations and then had some severe attacks of agoraphobia the first time they are outside on temperate planets. It is perfectly understandable. They have been used to living in more tight quarters and having a wall (or a spacesuit) between them and the nothingness of space. So being exposed to the openness of a planet and not having anything between them and space aside from air that just seem to stick around must be one hell of a change.

When I have such visitors at my home planet I always make sure to be ready to deal with the panic attack. It helps to have them look at the ground while walking outside and then slowly looking upwards while getting used to the openess. However I keep a large opaque sack at hand in case they need to be calmed down. Pulling it over their head can help them calm down. An action that ironically would cause panic for some of us who grew up planet side or are used to it.

The brain is weird.

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Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#31 - 2017-05-17 13:51:32 UTC
Hmm. A legitimate reason to go around sticking Sebbies in sacks. I am intrigued and hereby subscribe to your newsletter.
Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#32 - 2017-05-17 13:58:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Mizhir
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
Hmm. A legitimate reason to go around sticking Sebbies in sacks. I am intrigued and hereby subscribe to your newsletter.

Well I suppose I can offer you an apprenticeship. So you can be an Anti-agoraphobia Sebbie Sacker (A.S.S. for short).

Just make sure that you use a material they can breathe through. When under panic they tend to use up much oxygen so the supply of air may be shorter than you think. And killing your clients tend to be bad for business.

Edit: I realize that I have to be careful what I say. After all I am the only non-sebbie on this page.

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Arrendis
TK Corp
#33 - 2017-05-17 13:59:25 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
Hmm. A legitimate reason to go around sticking Sebbies in sacks. I am intrigued and hereby subscribe to your newsletter.


And this is why I don't go dirtside around you.

I mean, that, and that fact that I'd probably need the sack. I think I've been on a planet fewer than half a dozen times now, and I try to make sure I stay inside so I can forget I'm on a fatsteroid.

That said, there's some really nice scenery, and the idea of a whole ocean to swim around in is interesting (large bodies of water just sitting around not doing anything are also very weird, but intriguing). At some point, I probably should work on getting over this aversion.
Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#34 - 2017-05-17 14:05:34 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
That said, there's some really nice scenery, and the idea of a whole ocean to swim around in is interesting (large bodies of water just sitting around not doing anything are also very weird, but intriguing). At some point, I probably should work on getting over this aversion.

If you want my help. Let me know. And the sack is only for last resort if I fail to calm them down.

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Halcyon Ember
Repracor Industries
#35 - 2017-05-17 14:31:03 UTC
Mizhir wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
That said, there's some really nice scenery, and the idea of a whole ocean to swim around in is interesting (large bodies of water just sitting around not doing anything are also very weird, but intriguing). At some point, I probably should work on getting over this aversion.

If you want my help. Let me know. And the sack is only for last resort if I fail to calm them down.

Sebbie in a sack...
So many things...

Queen of Chocolate

Arrendis
TK Corp
#36 - 2017-05-17 14:32:36 UTC
Mizhir wrote:

If you want my help. Let me know. And the sack is only for last resort if I fail to calm them down.


I'll think about it. And in Mizhara's case, I think the sack would be the step between 'I had to taser her, she was freaking out' and 'and then I tasered her again, to test the conductivity of the sack'.
Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#37 - 2017-05-17 14:51:20 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Mizhir wrote:

If you want my help. Let me know. And the sack is only for last resort if I fail to calm them down.


I'll think about it. And in Mizhara's case, I think the sack would be the step between 'I had to taser her, she was freaking out' and 'and then I tasered her again, to test the conductivity of the sack'.

Noted. I will make sure that neither Mizhara nor tasers will be within range.

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Haru'kai Vidaraltyr
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2017-05-17 15:09:58 UTC
I'll never understand how those of you from the far north cope with the cold. I used to get the shivers even during the gentle desert night on those clan pilgrimages to honour the ancestors deep in the Sobaki.

Of course, the Vidaraltyr left the Great Sand Desert for the Great Wet Desert many generations ago. The equatorial seas are always warm, warm as blood.

Of course, on the endless sea beyond Coricia, there's not much sense in fire dancing - nakedness for sure, but we dance around the totem mast when the spirits manifest themselves in storms, lighting up the mast with coruscations of plasma in bright blues and purples that dance with us and honour our Wayfinders. The crash of waves, the howls of warriors, the otherworldly lights, the dance of rope and sail, brings true transcendence. Shadows of storm clouds, lightning-lit spirit masks of painted ebon, the bitter tang of weed and sea.

My blood quickens just at the remembrance.

The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong.

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#39 - 2017-05-17 16:20:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
Quote:
make sure that neither Mizhara nor tasers will be within range.

Well that escalated quickly.
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#40 - 2017-05-17 16:21:53 UTC
Just get in the sack.