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Announcement: Achuran Missionary Citadel Operational
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Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#121 - 2017-05-17 13:53:15 UTC
It's a bloody highsec citadel and if history is any judge, it'll be unarmed. It's not like it requires something worthy of being called a fleet.
Casserina Leshrac
Sanguine Illuminations
#122 - 2017-05-17 13:59:26 UTC
Morgana Tsukiyo wrote:
Casserina Leshrac wrote:
Please show the historical reference that you method works. Instead lecturing.

Otherwise sowing the seeds divisiveness may have you viewed as his partner.


She doesn´t want to give a fireworks show to the people of Saisio. Let her bee.

Did we muster enough people to blow the thing up?


As I understand it we will wait when it is vulnerable.

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Arrendis
TK Corp
#123 - 2017-05-17 14:04:46 UTC
Casserina Leshrac wrote:
Please show the historical reference that you method works.


So your objection to not repeating the behavior patterns that have proven ineffective is 'nobody's tried not doing this'?

Here's one for you: Napkins used to obsess over Matari women of all types. Then he actually got a little attention from a Vheri, so he started focusing on them. Once she stopped paying attention to him for a sustained period, he focused on someone else.

So, we know it works, when there aren't a bunch of co-dependent attention-whores involved who are just as eager to seem important as he is.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#124 - 2017-05-17 14:06:09 UTC
Casserina Leshrac wrote:

As I understand it we will wait when it is vulnerable.


Which is when? Are you just going to poll whoever's around in local when the time comes?
Arrendis
TK Corp
#125 - 2017-05-17 14:07:24 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
It's a bloody highsec citadel and if history is any judge, it'll be unarmed. It's not like it requires something worthy of being called a fleet.


Well, he wouldn't want to actually lose anything, right? This sort of idiocy is why you're so bitter all the time, isn't it?
TomHorn
Horn Brothers Holdings Inc.
#126 - 2017-05-17 14:15:53 UTC
Che Biko wrote:
Aria Jenneth wrote:
I understand it's in low orbit.
I haven't made a calculation, but from visual observation and looking at some numbers, I'm quite sure it is solidly in medium orbit.
Lasairiona Raske wrote:
TomHorn wrote:
We call on all parties , liberal extremists , Amarr loyalists , Minmatar freedom fighters , to halt any hostile actions and show calm.

Horn & Bros , believe a peaceful resolution can be found , suggest opening informal talks with all parties concerned , to end this incident peacefully and with out loss of life.

We would happily transport all the slaves in the temple to a nearby Caldari station , hand them over to humanitarian or Minmatar organisation , if it can be negotiated.


You think this hasn't been done before? He just does it again. Gets more slaves, more citadels... It's an endless cycle.
An endless cycle of construction and decommissioning may be preferable to an endless cycle of construction and destruction, though?

If it helps...if TomHorn succeeds in negotiating a solution that would be agreeable to all involved parties, then I offer to take care of the transport and delivery of any surrendered slaves from the Achuran Missionary Citadel to a location agreed upon by the "Liberal extremists, Amarr loyalists, and Minmatar freedom fighters."


I would be happy to hand over any released slaves to Che Biko , if the parties agree to it and can be negotiated. Nauplius has made terms for the release of the first 1000 slaves , as yet liberal extremists , Amarr and Minmatar Freedom fighters have yet to respond to his request.

It seems that they are determined to carry their hostile actions , no matter what the price to loss of life.
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#127 - 2017-05-17 14:19:36 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
It's a bloody highsec citadel and if history is any judge, it'll be unarmed. It's not like it requires something worthy of being called a fleet.


Well, he wouldn't want to actually lose anything, right? This sort of idiocy is why you're so bitter all the time, isn't it?


I'm not bitter, I'm fashionably disgusted and resigned.
Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#128 - 2017-05-17 14:22:01 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
It's a bloody highsec citadel and if history is any judge, it'll be unarmed. It's not like it requires something worthy of being called a fleet.
There may be defenders. But I hope you are right.
Arrendis wrote:
Casserina Leshrac wrote:
As I understand it we will wait when it is vulnerable.
Which is when?
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Arrendis
TK Corp
#129 - 2017-05-17 14:47:45 UTC
Che Biko wrote:
Countdown


So he specifically arranged for it to be vulnerable in a window when a whole lot of people would be around to come pay attention to him. And you all took the bait.

The stupid actually burns.

Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
I'm not bitter, I'm fashionably disgusted and resigned.


Well, you do disgusted a lot more fashionably than I do, it's true.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#130 - 2017-05-17 14:54:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Makoto Priano
TomHorn wrote:

I would be happy to hand over any released slaves to Che Biko , if the parties agree to it and can be negotiated. Nauplius has made terms for the release of the first 1000 slaves , as yet liberal extremists , Amarr and Minmatar Freedom fighters have yet to respond to his request.

It seems that they are determined to carry their hostile actions , no matter what the price to loss of life.


Terms are here. You may have missed them.

Best of luck.

Edit; you know, it amuses me to no end to have Horn, of all people, pretend to be the reasonable one to try to tar Liberals as the violent, murderous types, even as he's offering to personally beat Brutor and denying what multiple witnesses saw.

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Arrendis
TK Corp
#131 - 2017-05-17 15:21:59 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:

even as he's offering to personally beat Brutor and denying what multiple witnesses saw.


To be fair, a lot of the Brutor I've known would groove on that. Purely from a 'I get to swing back' angle.
TomHorn
Horn Brothers Holdings Inc.
#132 - 2017-05-17 15:23:34 UTC

Quote:
I offer to surrender 1000 of the Saisio slaves to TomHorn in exchange for the cancellation of all war declarations.


First 1000 slaves will be released unharmed for cancellation of war declarations . We're trying to get everyone out without any loss of life. Slaves , people working at the Citadel if it is destroyed. Surely isn't this decent starting point. Not hard for you to do , and isn't going to cost in monetary value to much.

After all parties have acted in good faith , we can look to get the remaining slaves out unharmed.

Your demands are to draconian and unreasonable , Makoto , will only result in the loss of many lives. You seem to have know wish to try and resolve this without the loss of any life.
Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#133 - 2017-05-17 16:01:23 UTC
The citadel is going to die.

Your involvement is going to be remembered too Tom.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#134 - 2017-05-17 16:04:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Makoto Priano
Yes, yes, brutal, evil Liberal extremists, trying to stop a Blood Raider from performing ritualistic blood letting in orbit of Saisio III.

Definitely because we're blood-thirsty, evil types, and not the man who makes a habit of sacrificing 'filth' for purposes of religious ritual.

Horn, if you're going to try to engage in propaganda, you need to be a little bit less transparent than this, and pick a better battle for it.

For those who would like another look into Horn's strange little mind, here's an old evemail he sent my associate, Xindi Kraid.
Tom Horn in an evemail to Xindi Kraid wrote:

Caldari Prime resistance movement has placed your name on a list,of Caldari liberal fascist capsuleers, liberal fascist of other races, who are now KOS for the resistance movement. The list is code named WAR PIGS.

Your crimes against the State are many Kraid, youve been charged with collusion with enemy being a quisling , on this charge the resistance has found you guilty.

Your charged with corruption and corporate malfeasance , for your part in the financial collapse of the Ishukone owned subsidiary Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive , the resistance movement has found you guilty on this charge.

You are charged with one of the most despicable crimes anyone can ever committ genocide.You are now involved with other liberal fascists, in the ethnic cleansing of another race, for the basic fact that you cannot understand them and have been unable to communicate with them. With the sole purpose of this ethnic cleansing, is to enrich yourselves , by stealing the secrets of their advanced and powerful techonologies. On this charge the resistance finds you guilty.

Many times Kraid ,i say many times, you have spoken out that you would personally like to put a bullet in the head , of the greatest Caldari hero Tibus Heth. We have not forgotten, on this charge resistance movement has found you guilty.

Any of our fighters who suicide attacks you , will be rewarded by the great Caldari Spirit with 50 nubile Caldari virgins, in the after life at the end of their immortality.

We are going to wipe you off the face of this New Eden universe Kraid. You are a dead man walking WAR PIG , PIG ,PIG ,PIG ,PIG PIG.

Glory to Tibus Heth , heil Heth , heil Heth , sieg heil , sieg heil , sieg heil.

Glory to the Great Caladri Spirits , Glory to the Provist Mujahideen Liberation Front , Gory to the Provist caliphate.


Sorry to trot that out again, but it's just so strange, so hilariously unbalanced I can't help but read it and laugh.

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Arrendis
TK Corp
#135 - 2017-05-17 16:29:56 UTC
Tom Horn in an evemail to Xindi Kraid wrote:

liberal fascist capsuleers


Horn, you do know that fascism is an inherently illiberal philosophy that marries private corporations and militaristic nationalism, right?

You know, kinda... you?

More Horn wrote:

Any of our fighters who suicide attacks you , will be rewarded by the great Caldari Spirit with 50 nubile Caldari virgins, in the after life at the end of their immortality.


What? No, seriously, what? This sounds like some bizzaro merger of Caldari spirituality with Amarr-style monotheistic 'live forever after death' nonsense. What the bleeding hel, man?

OH MY GOD TOM HORN IS FROM INTAKI wrote:

Glory to the Provist Mujahideen Liberation Front, Gory to the Provist caliphate.


So... did the Provist Mujahideen Liberation Front split off from the Intake Liberation Front, or was the PMLF another group that split off from the Liberation Front of Intaki, maybe originally the Liberation Front of Intaki—Provist Mujahideen Division? Doesn't matter. Still a bunch of bloody splitters.

Also... Provist caliphate? Soooo.. directly advocating the overthrow of the Caldari Corporations in order to establish a Theocracy... wow, Horndog, you're just nutters ain'cha?

Also, Makoto... seriously. DAFUQ?
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#136 - 2017-05-17 18:24:33 UTC
Arrendis, there's a reason I don't really take Horn seriously.

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Casserina Leshrac
Sanguine Illuminations
#137 - 2017-05-17 18:43:24 UTC
TomHorn wrote:

Quote:
I offer to surrender 1000 of the Saisio slaves to TomHorn in exchange for the cancellation of all war declarations.


First 1000 slaves will be released unharmed for cancellation of war declarations . We're trying to get everyone out without any loss of life. Slaves , people working at the Citadel if it is destroyed. Surely isn't this decent starting point. Not hard for you to do , and isn't going to cost in monetary value to much.

After all parties have acted in good faith , we can look to get the remaining slaves out unharmed.

Your demands are to draconian and unreasonable , Makoto , will only result in the loss of many lives. You seem to have know wish to try and resolve this without the loss of any life.


You negotiated just for the 1000?

And condemned the other 3000.

Welcome to the pandering dance.

We stand at the Abyss, drawing the Patterns of Fate - Casserina Leshrac, Savant, Sani Sabik.
Lasairiona Raske
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#138 - 2017-05-17 19:11:53 UTC
Casserina Leshrac wrote:
TomHorn wrote:

Quote:
I offer to surrender 1000 of the Saisio slaves to TomHorn in exchange for the cancellation of all war declarations.


First 1000 slaves will be released unharmed for cancellation of war declarations . We're trying to get everyone out without any loss of life. Slaves , people working at the Citadel if it is destroyed. Surely isn't this decent starting point. Not hard for you to do , and isn't going to cost in monetary value to much.

After all parties have acted in good faith , we can look to get the remaining slaves out unharmed.

Your demands are to draconian and unreasonable , Makoto , will only result in the loss of many lives. You seem to have know wish to try and resolve this without the loss of any life.


You negotiated just for the 1000?

And condemned the other 3000.

Welcome to the pandering dance.


He lacks one important thing in order to negotiate this deal fully.

Are you a devil or an angel

Sent here from heaven or from hell?

Sweet temptress, I'm wrapped in your tangles

Can't find my way out of your spell
Arrendis
TK Corp
#139 - 2017-05-17 19:23:17 UTC
Casserina Leshrac wrote:
Welcome to the pandering dance.


Upset that he's cutting in on your pander-action?
Literia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#140 - 2017-05-17 19:28:59 UTC
If this TomHorn is offering to beat Brutor, then I welcome him to come try it on me. He will be waking up in a new clone after I am done.

Nauplius, In fact I will even ask nicely. Please release the people on the citadel so that they are unharmed. It is only a matter of time before it comes down, there is no need for the loss of innocent lives in the process.