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Announcement: Achuran Missionary Citadel Operational
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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#281 - 2017-05-20 04:49:37 UTC
Operations continue.

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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#282 - 2017-05-20 10:14:31 UTC
Literia wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
The hell is going on in here and why hasn't it been killed with fire yet?



Because timers suck.

I was actually referring to the contents of the thread when I suggested killing it with fire. Nauppie's toys are slated for destruction the second he announces them.

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Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
#283 - 2017-05-20 11:11:40 UTC
And the slaves die by the hands of righteous capsuleers anyway.

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Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#284 - 2017-05-20 11:17:38 UTC
Citadel. Upwell's constructions safeguard such 'assets'.
Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
#285 - 2017-05-20 11:22:19 UTC
Is your world defined by commodities or by lives?

Tha apparent purpose of the destruction was due to sensibilities for the lives within not sufferig, if such assets are safe does it mean a perpetual cat and mouse game with Napkins and his slaves?!

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Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#286 - 2017-05-20 11:29:59 UTC
I'm sure that sounded all kinds of profound in your head, but the reality of this situation is that unless he's caught carrying those slaves around in a hauler, where you have a roughly fifty percent chance of either killing them or grabbing them from his wreck, his 'assets' are untouchable until he decides otherwise.

Their lives can't be 'destroyed' or taken by anyone else until that happens, so do keep trying to backpedal your incessant ignorance. I'm sure some people might even buy that tripe.
Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
#287 - 2017-05-20 11:33:04 UTC
Are you saying his slaves are also semi-immortal like him and can only be touched by chaos destruction and death on very specific situations?

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Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#288 - 2017-05-20 11:42:40 UTC
For all intents and purposes, as far as other capsuleers are concerned... yes. Unless he brings them out into the void in a ship, cargo container or whatever else, they're beyond our reach and might as well be. More to the point, your pathetic attempt at needling the people blowing up his citadel, that's about the safest place one can be during such events. Upwell is many things, but their asset safety and recovery is outstanding and has a perfect record.

You really are bad at this backpedaling thing, aren't you?
Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
#289 - 2017-05-20 11:58:34 UTC
I have no quarrel with anyone trying to blow the thing up, i already said i enjoy firewotks. I want to take a shot at it, but since i havent implemented a way to be in more than one location at the same time, i have other stuff to do.

I just offer the opportunity for reflection on the premises of the action. Some are doing it for ideals against slavery, some to avoid his memetic influence in Achur, some for rivalry against his person, some to feel good with themselves collecting kills, some just for the fun of it... there are several reasons for people to do what they do.

Just present some questions to check if they know why they do it or if they delude themselves.

For the slave horrified people, as you mentioned in your casual detached way, its just an asset that will be in Napkins possesion for a long time, so if the shooting is about freeing them, it will be a moot point. This tends to lead to frustration and a bunch of similar things.

I offer my views for those who wish reflect upon their actions in a way that is true to them.

Whatever that is.

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Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#290 - 2017-05-20 12:55:09 UTC
It felt a whole lot less presenting questions and opinion and more you snickering on the sidelines crunching popcorn while you find ways to score GalNet points against various folk involved. It's obvious the only skin in this entire affiar you have is entertainment, and that's fine I guess, but trying to get pseudo intellectual on us just makes you look foolish.

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Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
#291 - 2017-05-20 13:01:30 UTC
Utari Onzo wrote:
It felt a whole lot less presenting questions and opinion and more you snickering on the sidelines crunching popcorn while you find ways to score GalNet points against various folk involved. It's obvious the only skin in this entire affiar you have is entertainment, and that's fine I guess, but trying to get pseudo intellectual on us just makes you look foolish.


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Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#292 - 2017-05-20 13:10:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Ashlar Vellum
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
I'm sure that sounded all kinds of profound in your head, but the reality of this situation is that unless he's caught carrying those slaves around in a hauler, where you have a roughly fifty percent chance of either killing them or grabbing them from his wreck, his 'assets' are untouchable until he decides otherwise.

Their lives can't be 'destroyed' or taken by anyone else until that happens, so do keep trying to backpedal your incessant ignorance. I'm sure some people might even buy that tripe.

Well, there is loss of life in citadel destruction regardless, same as with ships. For example when the Scope reported on destruction of a Keepstar they were stating around 62 000 000 deaths if my memory serves me right.

So reality of this situation is - loss of life is inevitable, it could be slaves it could be citadel personnel tho.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#293 - 2017-05-20 13:11:25 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
You really are bad at this backpedaling thing, aren't you?


Almost as bad as she is at saying anything of consequence, Miz. I'd have thought you'd have seen that by now.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#294 - 2017-05-20 13:17:27 UTC
Ashlar Vellum wrote:

Well, there is loss of life in citadel destruction regardless, same as with ships. For example when the Scope reported on destruction of a Keepstar they were stating around 62 000 000 deaths if my memory serves me right.

So reality of this situation is - loss of life is inevitable, it could be slaves it could be citadel personnel tho.


They also stated it was more than twice that. And then a little more than half. The Scope isn't what you'd call a terribly accurate news source when it comes to the details.

But yes, the citadel's crew will sustain losses. Just like any ship. Just like on most ships, they're paid to be there. If they didn't take the time to educate themselves about who they were signing on with, that's on them. But no, because of the asset protection systems in Upwell constructions, 'it could be slaves' is, in fact, completely wrong. As long as he leaves them in there, the slaves will not die. He will simply move them to his next facility. Then everyone can feel really really great about 'saving' them again, while actually doing nothing of the sort.
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#295 - 2017-05-20 13:34:09 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Ashlar Vellum wrote:

Well, there is loss of life in citadel destruction regardless, same as with ships. For example when the Scope reported on destruction of a Keepstar they were stating around 62 000 000 deaths if my memory serves me right.

So reality of this situation is - loss of life is inevitable, it could be slaves it could be citadel personnel tho.


They also stated it was more than twice that. And then a little more than half. The Scope isn't what you'd call a terribly accurate news source when it comes to the details.

But yes, the citadel's crew will sustain losses. Just like any ship. Just like on most ships, they're paid to be there. If they didn't take the time to educate themselves about who they were signing on with, that's on them. But no, because of the asset protection systems in Upwell constructions, 'it could be slaves' is, in fact, completely wrong. As long as he leaves them in there, the slaves will not die. He will simply move them to his next facility. Then everyone can feel really really great about 'saving' them again, while actually doing nothing of the sort.

Could be, could be about The Scope accuracy I don't have the exact quote atm.

About citadel crew, it is not necessary paid employees. Like with capsuleer (any actually) ships it can be slave labor, I even think Naup said at some point his ships are mostly run by slave labor but don't quote me on that.
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#296 - 2017-05-20 13:50:28 UTC
I have yet to see Upwell Structures crewed by slaves, but maybe it can be done. I genuinely couldn't know until I get access to Upwell's crew contract specifics. The fact remains however, that destroying a citadel will not do any harm to the slaves accessible by capsuleer markets and any crew dying on a Citadel does so under the employment contracts they willingly signed, so not much different from the crew you kill when you blow up an enemy ship.

Unless we're pretending that's not a thing, which I believe some do.

And yes, Ashlar, I was one of the people who destroyed that Keepstar. I am well aware of the death toll.
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#297 - 2017-05-20 14:22:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Ashlar Vellum
Ships can be crewed by slaves, so saying that citadels can't be is little bit of stretch. Also I doubt there is such thing as Upwell's specifics and not [insert corporation name] who this structure belongs to specifics.

About ship crew losses it is possible to minimize this number to zero on small vessels, especially if it's flown by an "old" capsuleer.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#298 - 2017-05-21 06:00:21 UTC
I've fired on structures Nauplius stuffed with slaves before, knowing the odds were that I was killing them. In their place, I'd have thanked me, I can't imagine that there is a single redeeming characteristic of such a life.

Yes. I'd prefer to save them. Yes. I'd rather kill Nauplius than his slaves. No, those weren't options open to me.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#299 - 2017-05-21 09:50:06 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
I've fired on structures Nauplius stuffed with slaves before, knowing the odds were that I was killing them. In their place, I'd have thanked me, I can't imagine that there is a single redeeming characteristic of such a life.

Yes. I'd prefer to save them. Yes. I'd rather kill Nauplius than his slaves. No, those weren't options open to me.

I'd have thanked you too, and I'm sure the ones that still had their mind about them were.

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Lasairiona Raske
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#300 - 2017-05-21 11:02:34 UTC
*sigh*

Are you a devil or an angel

Sent here from heaven or from hell?

Sweet temptress, I'm wrapped in your tangles

Can't find my way out of your spell