EVE General Discussion

HIGH sec war: You would die if you use smartbombbs

ECM=nothing you can do to against them when jammed in some ships. (are missles the only real counter? should every weapons type get a version of the auto target fof missle"???)
even if it was just a 1% chance to perma jam someone it could still happen.
Yes you can fit some modules and implants to lower the chance it is still just that a roll of the dice that ruins this.

Damps: When it works you can still efect their ship.
Sensor boosters/get closer=countered

Nuets: Again you can still effect their ship when being nueted
Cap booster, Cap batteries, cap power relay, cap rigs, ect just having enough passive cap regen=countered

Webs: Again you can still effect their ship when E-war is applied.
MWD, AB, LMJD, mobile micro jump, Overdrive

The point is that ECM has no counter and is OP because when it works you can't effect the other ship in this scenario

Just popping in here to say "Thanks!" Honestly I hadn't known about those implant sets so I've learned something today.

Dastardly MMO devs to force organization and planning on players! Pitchforks, outrage! More on the evening news!



you realize that fitting all the things you described would leave the jackdaw with paper tank? Raven has, what, 75m3 drone bay? Leaving aside the fact that most pilots I know pack a flight of hornets EC-300 (you know, so you can ECM the ECM boat), because that would be 'muh required fitting choices', you can still fit three flights of light drones. Just drop five of them and set them to Aggressive-Focus Fire. ECM is a hostile module, therefore it draws aggro from drones. You don't even need to click. Now, you'll say that the jackdaw can shoot your drones, but if you cannot pull drones taking aggro when fighting in scram range, then ECM isn't the problem at hand.



Do the math. I assure you, there isn't a secret omg-wtf-bbq-pwn-iwin variable in there that makes ECM successful all-the-time-every-time-permanently. Or, y'know, complain on forums. That one seems easier.

By the way, if, despite all the evidence this is not the case (guess how many nullsec doctrines use ECM outside blops gangs? none), you consider ECM to be too stronk, you can train sensor compensation skills. They give a solid, always-on, fitting-independent 20% boost to sensor strength.

Way to conveniently ignore that bit about drones being able to kill/jam the jackdaw.

But I don't mind, you just buried this thread and idea by attacking warp disruption. Warp disruption worked, and worked well, since EVE's inception over a decade ago. Why is it binary, you ask? Well, mostly because warp is binary - you either warp, are invulnerable and smugpost in local, or you don't and you remain stuck while the jackdaw pilot smugposts in local.

Small ships being able to catch and hold large vessels is one of the core mechanics in all of EVE. Your proposal would be a massive buff to anything able to fit enough local tank to run a camp, not to mention totally breaking pretty much anything in the game.

And WCS? They don't negate everything, they are stabilizers, not a "trolololo-****-gatecamp-lolz" module. Each WCS fitted to your ship is good enough to negate one (1) point (warp disruptor) affecting your ship. Please note that a scram (warp scrambler) is worth two (2) points, and a faction scram is worth three. Navy Maulus also gets a bonus to scram strength. Bubbles and HIC-points both have infinite point value - you simply aren't countering that. And that is by design.

Killmail or it didn't happen. If I give up literally everything useful on a Jackdaw I only have an 82% chance to jam a Raven per cycle. This assumes all V skills, overheated racial jams, and level 0 sensor compensation for the Raven. He should have missed one in every 5 or 6 cycles.

Again, you could not shoot him because you did not devote 2.7% of your Ravens 665m3 Cargo hold to 600 Auto-Targeting missiles (which not only would have been able to attack that paper thin Jackdaw, they would have aggro'd the light drones you should also have been carrying, all of which would have killed or forced off the attacker).

But no, instead of learning the simple things you need to know, you suggest actual fundamental game mechancis changes thatn would destroy much of EVe's gameplay. Letting people warp when scrammed will only do 2 things:

-Make people mount multiple warp disruption modlues to hold you long enough to kill you

And

-encourage people to bring even more people to have both more scrams and more DPS to kill people quicker.

In other words, why is it a better idea to screw up the game than it is to learn how to play it with the tools available right this second?

This wasn't directed at me, but I myself have been perma-jammed by unbonused hulls as well. Here's one of my deaths:

https://zkillboard.com/kill/56648406/

I never got a shot off.

So you are still saying that you can't navigate a killboard (hint, one must be undocked to appear on a kill or loss mail), on top of not understanding the fact that some people work night shift and might play on a different TZ than you do?

What were you compensation skills at? The point is that if you don't know enough to properly fit a drake for low sec ratting, you probably neglected those skills as well.

mail shows no ecm , does show launchers were cycling ..
and , what exactly does "perma-jammed" mean to you ? if it took you 20 seconds to lock him , and less than a minute to die . he'd only have needed to get lucky and jam you once , hardly "perma" anything ...
ps. he is a liar he couldn't even get his story straight about his fit :

try a bit harder in the future , it's like you phoned it in ...