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SOPA(Stop Online Piracy Act) and how you can help to stop it
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#21 - 2011-12-31 04:13:07 UTC
VKhaun Vex wrote:
Reiisha wrote:
Having the power to take down "infringing sites" with just a quick phonecall from...


A common sign warning passersbye that they are entering the territory of the tinfoil hat people.

Everything in SOPA begins very specifically with written documentation from very specifically the copyright holder. Someone must type it, someone must send it, someone must receive it, and someone must read it. The more you think they'll try to censor, the farther from reality you get because neither the companies nor our government have the man hours to devote to reach the quotas set by the expectations of the internet panic surrounding this bill.

I say this not to defend SOPA, but because in order to stop the trend you have to be informed. The REAL discussion that affects law, is not 'if' or 'OMG CENSORSHIP'... it's a discussion taking place around 'how' to defend and enforce a copyright in today's world. Clearly we're not going in the right direction, but the drama doesn't help and the misinformation is very harmful.


I am sure the people crammed into the boxcars still had to argue about EXACTLY where the train was going and EXACTLY what would happen to them when they got there.

You can nitpick to the end of your days, and probably will, and change nothing.



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VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2011-12-31 04:25:26 UTC  |  Edited by: VKhaun Vex
Your comparisons that don't match are really adorable, but I wasn't quite finished editing. I know it's a bad habbit, but I'm at work and I get interrupted a lot. If you could update your quote for the /page I'd appreciate it.

I do hold the opinion that 'nit picking' -if you must call it that- is very important in a situation like this. You can't change someone's mind by making them think you don't know what you're talking about.

Why would anyone involved with the process listen to someone who claimed to understand SOPA and was worried about "COMPLETE CENSORSHIP OF ANYONE THEY WANT WITH A PHONE CALL"? Ugh

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mullet nugget
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-01-02 17:54:37 UTC
censorship is wrong in all forms and fashions. every individual has the power to decide what he or she watches, listens to or participates in.

the senate will continue to debate SOPA after they come back from "winter break" which they've been on for 3 weeks now Roll let's hope for the best and everyone keep emailing those companies and writing your local representatives!
muhadin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2012-01-02 19:59:46 UTC
If some of you haven't been staying up to date on sopa happenings on reddit, check this out.

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Something Random
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-01-02 21:05:53 UTC
^^^^

This is, im afraid to think but simply cannot think of another way, the ONLY way its gonna make a difference.
Show EVERYONE what SOPA can do. Before its legislated to do it.

Copyright law is messed up and has been since the dawn of copiable media.

My personal thoughts are that copyright needs to be and remain about the content NOT the media. it is released upon Making media the copyright is wrong, it is backward and it is self destroying.

When you buy a 'recording' for instance you should have an obliged right to that recording on any media you wish to project it. Whether that right is time limited or for duration of legal copyright CAN be argued.

Just my 0.02c

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mullet nugget
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-01-03 05:35:49 UTC
recording companies are scared they'll have to dip into their profit margins and actually *gasp* innovate in order to continue making money. instead of doing this they attempt to over-regulate and we, the consumers, are the ones to pay the price. we've finally made it to the age where the government truly doesn't care what is in the best interest of the people and thinks that it knows best. despite the silly citizens actual needs.

let your local representatives know that you are not a child!
VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2012-01-03 06:15:43 UTC  |  Edited by: VKhaun Vex
mullet nugget wrote:
recording companies are scared they'll have to dip into their profit margins and actually *gasp* innovate in order to continue making money. instead of doing this they attempt to over-regulate and we, the consumers, are the ones to pay the price. we've finally made it to the age where the government truly doesn't care what is in the best interest of the people and thinks that it knows best. despite the silly citizens actual needs.

let your local representatives know that you are not a child!


Interesting you refused to call them anything but 'the companies'. Like those aren't people. You're dehumanizing your opposition and emphasizing your own humanity. It's an excellent substitution for a real argument among people who already agree with you, but your 'local representatives' get letters from both sides and those 'companies' will make real arguments.

If you want to protect your freedoms and capabilities, you need to understand them so you can participate in the argument rather than circumvent it and then blame the representative for listening to reason from the other side when legislation you don't like shows up over and over again.

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mullet nugget
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-01-03 06:31:41 UTC
VKhaun Vex wrote:
mullet nugget wrote:
recording companies are scared they'll have to dip into their profit margins and actually *gasp* innovate in order to continue making money. instead of doing this they attempt to over-regulate and we, the consumers, are the ones to pay the price. we've finally made it to the age where the government truly doesn't care what is in the best interest of the people and thinks that it knows best. despite the silly citizens actual needs.

let your local representatives know that you are not a child!


Interesting you refused to call them anything but 'the companies'. Like those aren't people. You're dehumanizing your opposition and emphasizing your own humanity. It's an excellent substitution for a real argument among people who already agree with you, but your 'local representatives' get letters from both sides and those 'companies' will make real arguments.


i actually did not use the term "the companies" anywhere in this thread. i feel the coporations, companies, what have you, that support this bill have dehumanized themselves by putting the majority of the population so low on their priority list that they'd rather tie their hands than get their own dirty. seems more like laziness and fear of change that drives them than anything else.

the point of contacting your local "representatives", meaning state and senate, is to show them just how much opposition there is to this bill. you're not attempting to get into a debate with your local reps, rather inform them of your position. the fact that they are also being contacted by businesses only adds to the necessity that we, the people, inform them of our position also.

every letter, email or phone call received by a government official is going to make an impact on the choices that are made in the coming weeks. you need to make your voice heard, beyond your living room and workplace.
VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2012-01-03 07:45:44 UTC  |  Edited by: VKhaun Vex
mullet nugget wrote:
recording companies are scared they'll have to dip into their profit margins and actually *gasp* innovate in order to continue making money. instead of doing this they attempt to over-regulate and we, the consumers, are the ones to pay the price. we've finally made it to the age where the government truly doesn't care what is in the best interest of the people and thinks that it knows best. despite the silly citizens actual needs.

let your local representatives know that you are not a child!
mullet nugget wrote:
the point of contacting your local "representatives", meaning state and senate, is to show them just how much opposition there is to this bill. you're not attempting to get into a debate with your local reps, rather inform them of your position. the fact that they are also being contacted by businesses only adds to the necessity that we, the people, inform them of our position also.



Yes, I agree 100% a person should mention it when they hold a position, but your representative does not and is not obligated to go along with a majority. There are places telling their representative to nuke the middle east, give all their families in Mexico citizenship, pour funding into things they can't afford, or do things for their own constituency that would harm neighboring areas or break promises etc.

At some point they must make an informed decision during which time they will likely consult informed people from their constituency on both sides of the issue and their advisers.

In your first post you advocate being an adult and making that decision for yourself and arguing it in a letter. In your second you backpedal and describe a mindset of simply informing them you don't like it, like a child whining and crying for what they want and then just hoping the adults agree. Sometimes they let you have the candy and sometimes not.

ITS NOT FAIR MOMMY Roll

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mullet nugget
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-01-03 23:13:05 UTC
VKhaun Vex wrote:
mullet nugget wrote:
recording companies are scared they'll have to dip into their profit margins and actually *gasp* innovate in order to continue making money. instead of doing this they attempt to over-regulate and we, the consumers, are the ones to pay the price. we've finally made it to the age where the government truly doesn't care what is in the best interest of the people and thinks that it knows best. despite the silly citizens actual needs.

let your local representatives know that you are not a child!
mullet nugget wrote:
the point of contacting your local "representatives", meaning state and senate, is to show them just how much opposition there is to this bill. you're not attempting to get into a debate with your local reps, rather inform them of your position. the fact that they are also being contacted by businesses only adds to the necessity that we, the people, inform them of our position also.



Yes, I agree 100% a person should mention it when they hold a position, but your representative does not and is not obligated to go along with a majority. There are places telling their representative to nuke the middle east, give all their families in Mexico citizenship, pour funding into things they can't afford, or do things for their own constituency that would harm neighboring areas or break promises etc.

At some point they must make an informed decision during which time they will likely consult informed people from their constituency on both sides of the issue and their advisers.

In your first post you advocate being an adult and making that decision for yourself and arguing it in a letter. In your second you backpedal and describe a mindset of simply informing them you don't like it, like a child whining and crying for what they want and then just hoping the adults agree. Sometimes they let you have the candy and sometimes not.

ITS NOT FAIR MOMMY Roll


actually there is no backpedaling there. it's the same point phrased differently. in both statements i say "tell them" aka "inform them". don't split hairs :P
Sidus Isaacs
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-01-04 00:27:13 UTC
mullet nugget wrote:

the senate will continue to debate SOPA after they come back from "winter break" which they've been on for 3 weeks now Roll let's hope for the best and everyone keep emailing those companies and writing your local representatives!



It is a cute idea that we actually got a say in this supposed democracy. Too bad all the representatives are already bought by other corporation and lobby interests.

Sure, they may not pass SOPA right now if we make enough fuss. But the fact that they are even debating it means something is very wrong. Not to mention that they passed NDAA already, Patriot Act. And ACTA is around the corner as well.

What is really need to make things better, not just delay the **** that will come, is to go out and actually do something about it. And I do not mean just hold signs and sing cute chants.
mullet nugget
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-01-08 04:14:45 UTC
Sidus Isaacs wrote:
mullet nugget wrote:

the senate will continue to debate SOPA after they come back from "winter break" which they've been on for 3 weeks now Roll let's hope for the best and everyone keep emailing those companies and writing your local representatives!



It is a cute idea that we actually got a say in this supposed democracy. Too bad all the representatives are already bought by other corporation and lobby interests.

Sure, they may not pass SOPA right now if we make enough fuss. But the fact that they are even debating it means something is very wrong. Not to mention that they passed NDAA already, Patriot Act. And ACTA is around the corner as well.

What is really need to make things better, not just delay the **** that will come, is to go out and actually do something about it. And I do not mean just hold signs and sing cute chants.


revolution is already in the air. well over 90% of the military are dead-set against obama. what do you think will happen when people's precious internet begins to melt from the inside out after SOPA is allowed to become law?
VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2012-01-08 04:51:03 UTC  |  Edited by: VKhaun Vex
mullet nugget wrote:
well over 90% of the military are dead-set against obama.
Citation needed.



mullet nugget wrote:
what do you think will happen when people's precious internet begins to melt from the inside out after SOPA is allowed to become law?
The worst case panic scenarios for SOPA that are miles from reality are still limited to forums and blogs going private and public media like YouTube going down. If that happens on the internet wide scale, I predict zero social consequence. It'll just move to varying levels of smaller scale file sharing.

For example uploading something that only your friends can see on Facebook instead of uploading it to YouTube. The cutie singing the Skyrim songs would still be widely known in such a setting. Instead of linking a youtube, you just say "Hey friend me real quick and check this out..." I wouldn't be surprised if they reacted to the situation with a 'temporary' friend status invite that lasts 24hrs.

What consequence do you see?

I ask because your comment seems to imply SOPA is going to cause some kind of revolution lol.

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Alec Freeman
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2012-01-08 11:46:17 UTC
Looks like the USA is a pretty **** country to live in.
Xuko Nuki
Heralds of Darkness
White Sky.
#35 - 2012-01-08 11:48:36 UTC
Alec Freeman wrote:
Looks like the USA is a pretty **** country to live in.



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Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-01-09 22:36:01 UTC
While SOPA is an important thing for everyone to be concerned about it will not destroy the entire internet, it will just screw people in the US.

Other nations disappearing behind firewalls never "destroyed the entire internet" and some of those countries just happen to have bigger populations and are more important in the global economy.

SOPA needs fighting, noone can ignore it and just laugh at the Americans because it might give other countries ideas. Still SOPA by itself is not the death of the internet.
Sidus Isaacs
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2012-01-09 22:59:24 UTC
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:
While SOPA is an important thing for everyone to be concerned about it will not destroy the entire internet, it will just screw people in the US.


Wrong. US have already pressured Spain into passing a similar law, and it is not like the rest of the world will not try and follow same suite. US and EU just throw the ball back and forth, due to high US pressure.

It will affect us all, and this needs to die a horrible death before it festers and spawns even more insane infringements on our freedoms and lives. This is just the beginning.
Barakkus
#38 - 2012-01-09 23:24:40 UTC
How about try paying for things instead of pirating things and stuff like this wouldn't be necessary.

http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc
VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2012-01-10 00:00:48 UTC
Barakkus wrote:
How about try paying for things instead of pirating things and stuff like this wouldn't be necessary.


Silence! Taking things others made for our entertainment and not paying for them is an AMERICAN FREEEEDOOOMMMMMM

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Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#40 - 2012-01-10 00:02:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Jhagiti Tyran
Sidus Isaacs wrote:
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:
While SOPA is an important thing for everyone to be concerned about it will not destroy the entire internet, it will just screw people in the US.


Wrong. US have already pressured Spain into passing a similar law, and it is not like the rest of the world will not try and follow same suite. US and EU just throw the ball back and forth, due to high US pressure.

It will affect us all, and this needs to die a horrible death before it festers and spawns even more insane infringements on our freedoms and lives. This is just the beginning.


Selective quoting at its finest ITP.

EDIT

Here is the rest of the post you deliberatly left out. "Other nations disappearing behind firewalls never "destroyed the entire internet" and some of those countries just happen to have bigger populations and are more important in the global economy.

SOPA needs fighting, noone can ignore it and just laugh at the Americans because it might give other countries ideas. Still SOPA by itself is not the death of the internet."