Intergalactic Summit

Pilot Ember I wasn't making an idle threat but stating a fact. MAD is what has kept the peace (mostly) between our nations for the last hundred or so years.

While the imperials would ultimately triumph in a direct conflict against the Republic (assuming the Federation didn't intervene on our behalf) the ensuing victory would be the very definition of Pyrrhic. The "win" would be so costly in terms of loss of lives and materiel that what was left of the empire would be vulnerable to attack from the remaining state actors or extra-state actors such as the Covenant, Nation, Cartel, EoM, etc. Also, unless they wiped out every last Minmatar, including those billions who live in the Federation, they would be facing an eternal guerilla war fought by the surviving Matari.

But hey, why let little details like that interfere with common sense? If you imperials are so sure of yourselves then by all means mount up your war armada and fly the 22 jumps between Amarr and Matar and do your damnedest. Just either do it or shut the hell up about it. I too am sick of the idle threats.

Not all of us are anti-Federation Pilot Galente. I'm a bit biased having been raised and educated on Luminaire but a great many of us Matari are thankful for all that your people have done and continue to do for us. Having said that, our complicated relationship is something that we struggle with and there is hardly a consensus as to what should be the way forward.

I believe it's still current, isn't it? I've not heard of a 'back to the Republic' backlash, anyway...

I mean, I'd say "I told you so" but....

I didnt apologise for anything so, there is nothing to accept I suppose.

Also, I may not look the part but I am of Minmatar descent so again thats off the mark.

In any rate, Miss Arrendis, just for the record I wont keep on derailing Captain Rhiannon's post by turning this about me from now on. I have been very rather clear on what I have stated and what I meant, even with providing some explanations about your first questions regarding my initial posts. In case you want any more clarification we can always have a private chat.

Also, interesting ideas/perceptions you seem to have of what pressure is under a democratic regime. I do hope we can keep on debating on the actual points raised by Captain Rhiannon at some point again however. Enjoy your evening.

We have already lost it once and we got it back - stands to reason on a historical basis we would get it back. Yeah it might be unable to support life for a very long time.... but for a period of time it was under Amarr control and not able to fully represent the Minmatar people. We have dealt with this before - we can do it again if needed.



The current four way standoff is far preferable to a three way standoff - it is so much easier to create a 2 on 1 in a three way system, getting a 3 vs 1 is a lot harder. And I am sure that even if a simple Brutor can work that out - so can a Caldari politician.

Combining EM and Ushra'Khan in the Great Wildlands would do nothing - it is already part of the Republic and therefore subject to Republic rule and laws - and trying to form a rump Matari state there or in any other region is Treason. "Someone" is going to have to come up with a very very good reason why a Corporation and Alliance that supports the Republic would be willing to head down a path that would lead to civil war - and that somehow we should be leading it rather than shooting at those who threaten the Republic.

Good luck with coming up with that reason.

Well, now that you've acknowledged your whole rationale for objecting to Miz's statement has fallen apart?

Yeah. I am.

It is no secret that I broadly agree with your assessment, and think that stronger ties between the State and the Republic could be helpful to everyone. I think beyond anything though what the State and the Republic have, are that they are survivors who have known true strife and became stronger in the face of it. I wonder how the Empire or the Federation would react to a truly existential threat?

I am certainly no expert in statecraft or diplomacy, but I do know that when Of Questionable Repute, and Multicultural F1 Brigade teamed up to fight Sansha's Nation (and a few Gallente) in Black Rise, despite the different militia flags being flown, we both had mutual benefit from it, and I am far more comfortable working towards mutual benefit as it encourages us to be strong, whereas the Federation always seems to want to solve our problems for us, keeping us weak and resenting us for it. Don't get me wrong, the Federation isn't just as bad as the Amarr, but they both think their way is the best way for everyone, and that is incredibly dangerous thinking.

As for a solution to the problem of the main topic at hand, getting stronger is the only thing we really can do till the Tribes and the Sanmatar provide us with a solution, participating in the militia conflict or elsewhere, could actually make us stronger via experience, so I don't consider it a waste of resources.

Challis, what the hell kind of drugs are you on? Matari entities taking advantage of the industrial resources of Great Wildlands as loyalists is treason, now? Leading to Civil War? For that matter, exactly who is threatening the Republic that needs you shooting them? The Pendulum Participants can't do anything in our space, no different from how we can do sod all in theirs, so unless you're talking about wetwork for the corps I have to admit I'm curious what you're talking about. If it is the corp wetwork stuff, well I can assure you there's even more to shoot in Great Wildlands in that regard.

As for good reasons... well, perhaps you haven't noticed but there's not exactly a significant number of loyalists around our space anymore. One of the reasons for that is quite simple: There's sod all to do there that is very worthwhile for a lot of capsuleers. Why do you think so many of us has kept bleeding out of Republic highsec and into all kinds of other entities? Off the top of my head, I can think of examples having joined Goons, Brave, Test, Mercenary Coalition, Hard Knocks, Dyslexia Paradox, even Provibloc and so on. The one thing these places have in common is that they try to reach a bit further than you can ever climb in highsec.

Industrialists, combat pilots, wetwork specialists, researchers and developers and so on.

So many of us have had to leave home behind because there was no more growth and challenge to be had there. Want a reason to try to carve out a piece of nullsec for Tribal loyalists? It might very well be the only way to keep any but the most timid from leaving it all behind in order to grow past the limitations inherent in highsec living. Null, even the claimed space like Great Wildlands, offer far greater challenges and opportunities for capsuleer entities, be it in terms of industry and development, capsuleer combat and more. And it offers the opportunity to build something that can matter, long term.

Or apparently it's 'treason' and cause for 'civil war', somehow.