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Following up on my last post:

Here's a prime example of sounds I care about mixed with annoying sounds:

Hacking game sounds are fun, they add an element to the hacking game that makes it more enjoyable to play.
The D-Scan noise, UI Clicks, Radial Menu all have sounds associated with it. These things are audible feedback, not game audio. You also get the noise when a can is too far away to open immediately a nice to have but ultimately still audible feedback.

All Audible feedback should be moved to it's own category. So that we can have quality of game improvements like the hacking game sounds without having to hear useless noise every time we click. Leave the audible feedback for people who want it and create a slider just for it.

Unfortunately, this is a perfect example of a misconception being perpetuated on both sides of the argument. The solution is NOT to define/redefine sets of sounds to be grouped together or separated out of their existing categories - everyone has a different notion of what constitutes a useful sound, and what is superfluous or even downright annoying. Thus, there are nearly infinite combinations of desired and undesired effects, and any generalised set of groupings will satisfy a few and likely annoy the majority. Yes, there are some sounds that most people agree are unnecessary, but there is likely not universal agreement on anything, and certainly different players have different priorities: some may not be overly bothered by the UI clicks but need their wormhole soundscape *just so*, while some are driven nuts by the UI click and couldn't care less about the wormhole sounds; many players find the station ambience annoying, but I'm sure there are players out there who enjoy it,. These examples used are among the most-cited, and yet even they CONTRADICT EACH OTHER.

The solution is really very simple and downright obvious: revert to the excellent granular settings options we had before - this approach is the one that's likeliest to satisfy the most users (and really can't REASONABLY annoy or offend anyone! After all: don't need it, then don't use it - simple as that!) Surely "the greatest good for the greatest number" ought to be the primary guiding principle? Hell, it even falls in line with the "80/20" principle cited by someone waaaaay upthread.

EDIT:
Clarification: My contention is that the problem lies not in HOW the sounds have been grouped, but in the fact that they have been grouped together AT ALL. Some of the many arguing against this change are (understandably) invested in their own perspective: "I want [this specific thing] to be individually adjustable" and "I don't want [that specific thing] to be grouped in with these others" etc - but this is a distraction from the larger issue, and yet a perfect demonstration of it. Redefining the groupings would not solve anything, it would merely serve to shift the dirt around, instead of solving the problem (which, as already stated by many people here, is doable by simply undoing this very poor design decision.) The bottom line is that we all have our own personal SPECIFIC preferences, and the power to adjust these specifics should be returned to us - trying to beat them into sets of presets is doomed to fail from the start, and will NEVER satisfy anyone fully (except those who don't care either way in the first place!) Those who have no need of this facility are NOT AN ISSUE - they don't have to mess with it if they don't want to!

In the original announcement, one of the "arguments" given for the change was the fact (allegedly, anyhow) that even out of the few that did use the advanced settings (will not go into the fallacy of that metric - that's already been covered by many others here), most used only one or two sliders. This was cited as a problem - TOTAL logic failure there, CCP! The fact that only a couple/few sliders were being used at a time is in fact testament to the USEFULNESS of the old system - it allowed us to target those individual sounds that needed special attention, without involving anything else. The new "system" (I use the term very loosely!) forces us to **** with **** we are happy with in order to adjust that which we are not happy with - I'm sorry, but that's just sheer idiocy. (I know that whereas I was satisfied with my sound config before the change, despite laborious tweaking I have as yet been unable to even APPROXIMATE a comfortable soundscape since then - and this is not for lack of trying! Your "simplification" has COMPLICATED MATTERS!)

One final thought: the change represents a marked REDUCTION IN THE QUALITY of the overall experience for some (perhaps many?) of us. CCP, can you seriously be OK with retaining a change that has compromised the overall quality of your product, making it LESS than it was before? How is that a good idea from ANY standpoint, be it fiscal, marketing, or simply sheer pride of craftmanship?

I have no idea how the new audio changes is more advanced. Like everybody else already have said.
Can you please take it back so i can make the d'scan sound QUIET for a times change?

EVE used to have a jukebox until CCP ripped it out. I don't think it's coming back.

I could also live with them putting all the sound files in a directory (well labelled) so that we can use third party tools to change the level of each file (or even remove them). That way we get flexibility that we need and CCP gets to be happy for saving dev resources.

Having played around with it for a fair bit, so this is not just complaints about something new and untested ... I've found the following sounds sorely missing their own category.

Wormholes (currently in the Atmosphere group)
Crimewatch (currently in the UI Sound Level group)

I can live with the other bundles, sort of, but I need them split and controlled separated from their respective groups.

At least we are getting ignored so there is that. Classic CCP. Make a mess and then pretend not to see it all and hope that idiots will keep sending you money.

It's going to be hilarious when first competition shows up one day.

Do you? I can tell you exactly how it went down (read in lost vikings voice for greater accuracy)





Without a successful game as an experimental control, our hapless trio succumbed to the trap of misinterpreting statistics. 10% is above average usage for advanced sound options, particularly after correcting for:

1. The one trick pony alts/bots.
2. The players who don't PVP.
3. The players who have the sound disabled entirely.

Consequently, CCP podded the advanced options (which provided a critical level of functionality for their most avid PVPers) while the true threat - the unwieldy HUD - warped away unscathed.

Really bad change


My god, I can not disable the crimewatch buzzer? I can't play like this, are you kidding me?


Find all the whiteboards that say you need less options and erase, fire the people that wrote that there.

I will not play without the audio alerts, I will not play with the crimewatch buzzer going off every 5-10 seconds.

Are these changes going to be fixed?