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A short announcement related to TD involvement in Kyonoke attacks.
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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#21 - 2017-05-05 00:00:29 UTC
Tuulinen-haan, do you honestly believe that Kim would employ Dragonaur to rehabilitate them? Or do so unknowing of their political views, or out of anything other than abject support for their politics and actions?

What's more, in this case I'd say it's explicitly relevant as she paints herself as the One True Caldari, was acting against affirmed CEP statements, and is doing the bare minimum to distance herself from a known terrorist organization temporarily.

The Kyonoke crisis could have been avoided had we done more to burn out the rot beforehand, a rot your very statements here would allow to remain, festering.

It's one thing to rehabilitate.

It's another to aid and abet.

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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#22 - 2017-05-05 00:10:41 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

I hire crewmembers and ship personnel, trained for ship combat, not for terrorism.

If you hired the later without consideration for the former you wouldn't do so well in combat. Thankfully people can learn more than one thing.

Diana Kim wrote:

Terrorism is poor man's war. I need better trained personnel than terrorists. I need professionals. I would never hire incompetent crewmembers.

Being Professional and being a terrorist are not mutually exclusive. There ARE professional terrorists out there after all.

Diana Kim wrote:

Neither I ever had an open position of "terrorist" on my ship. Tell me, Ms. Vess, do minmatar ships have terrorist position in crewmembers? Our Caldari ships don't.


If I didn't ask and I knew without them telling me, they weren't that good of terrorists now were they? What kind of role would a terrorist exactly have on a warship anyways? Hmm... I believe I answered your question with another question.


Once again, Congrats on actually doing the right thing to no ones surprise.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#23 - 2017-05-05 00:14:10 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

Given the number of people I know within this community who employ terrorists, criminals and traitors there are damn few who in a position to truly judge her.

As for terrorists:

1) I never had a terror-related positions on my ship and never hired personnel interested primarily in terrorism.
There are no and were no terrorists on my ship.

And for the other part:

2) I might or might not hire criminals and traitors for suicide missions. I am considering this. As for now, I don't have criminal/traitor crews. But assembling several as a penal punishment for them to restore their honor in combat is... possible. I will look into it and what I could do. However the idea of running my ship with suboptimal crew doesn't inspire me.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#24 - 2017-05-05 00:21:34 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:

If you hired the later without consideration for the former you wouldn't do so well in combat. Thankfully people can learn more than one thing.

I never had terrorist position on my ship. If a potential candidate displays interest primarily in terrorism, I cannot offer them any place in my crew.

Deitra Vess wrote:

Being Professional and being a terrorist are not mutually exclusive. There ARE professional terrorists out there after all.

There are professional saboteurs and assasins. I'd better hire them than a terrorist. But so far I never had a need for these professionals on my ships.

Deitra Vess wrote:

If I didn't ask and I knew without them telling me, they weren't that good of terrorists now were they? What kind of role would a terrorist exactly have on a warship anyways? Hmm... I believe I answered your question with another question.

Well, the ship is sort of closed environment, so they have nobody to terrorize during my combat operation. If they would start terrorize my own crew, I'd just space them that instant.

I really have no idea why would anyone need a terrorist on their ship. I definitely don't need one on mine.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#25 - 2017-05-05 00:23:21 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:

If you hired the later without consideration for the former you wouldn't do so well in combat. Thankfully people can learn more than one thing.

I never had terrorist position on my ship. If a potential candidate displays interest primarily in terrorism, I cannot offer them any place in my crew.

Deitra Vess wrote:

Being Professional and being a terrorist are not mutually exclusive. There ARE professional terrorists out there after all.

There are professional saboteurs and assasins. I'd better hire them than a terrorist. But so far I never had a need for these professionals on my ships.

Deitra Vess wrote:

If I didn't ask and I knew without them telling me, they weren't that good of terrorists now were they? What kind of role would a terrorist exactly have on a warship anyways? Hmm... I believe I answered your question with another question.

Well, the ship is sort of closed environment, so they have nobody to terrorize during my combat operation. If they would start terrorize my own crew, I'd just space them that instant.

I really have no idea why would anyone need a terrorist on their ship. I definitely don't need one on mine.

Hmm.. Well said.
TomHorn
Horn Brothers Holdings Inc.
#26 - 2017-05-05 02:09:07 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
I disagree with this decision. The allegation of Dragonaur involvement is obviously planted by Gallentean or Minmatar intelligence agencies or by traitors within the State.


Liberals within the State. False flag attack by the liberals to demonise this political group. They carried out a coup against the State Executor , this is just a continuation of the liberal war against the patriots within the State.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#27 - 2017-05-05 03:50:19 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

Given the number of people I know within this community who employ terrorists, criminals and traitors there are damn few who in a position to truly judge her.


There's a considerable difference, Pieter, between saying 'oh my god, Diana, how could you do such a terrible thing?', like just hiring psychopaths is somehow beyond the pale for any of us, and pointing out that someone who has literally advocated genocide on behalf of the State might be a damned hypocrite for knowingly harboring members of an anti-State terrorist organization.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#28 - 2017-05-05 04:28:33 UTC
TomHorn wrote:
Nauplius wrote:
I disagree with this decision. The allegation of Dragonaur involvement is obviously planted by Gallentean or Minmatar intelligence agencies or by traitors within the State.


Liberals within the State. False flag attack by the liberals to demonise this political group. They carried out a coup against the State Executor , this is just a continuation of the liberal war against the patriots within the State.




The accusation is a serious one regardless. For a ship that could be deployed in critical to the State missions any risk of sabotage must be prevented.

Liberals are not enemies of the State. Templis Dragonaurs are not enemies of the Caldari.

But those, who are traitors and cover their treason with name of Liberalism - they are not Liberals, they are the enemies.
And those, who spread Kyonoke in State territory, covering under name of Dragonaurs - they are the enemies.

Currently, Templis Dragonaurs represent severe security threat. As soon as this accusation from them will be lifted, or as soon as those of them who did participate in this attack will be neutralized (if it really were them - and we can't really exclude this possibility, knowing their history), then I will resume hiring them to my ships.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Bran Kignol
Doomheim
#29 - 2017-05-05 14:03:25 UTC
Quote:
Templis Dragonaurs are not enemies of the Caldari.


Meaning that The State is lying to you when saying the opposite ?

Stop being in contradiction with everything you say from start to the end.

Did you ask your crew members their Member's card ID to their terrorist group to be fully aware that you have so many Templis Dragonaurs into your crew ? Shocked Was it a prerequisite to be enlisted in your crew ? Roll

If you knew they were from this group then you're at least guilty of tolerating ennemies of the State onboard your ships at worst guilty of collaborating with them against the State or even worst to be part of them.

Templis Dragonaurs are on Caldari terrorist list for decades at least. it has been reaffirmed that they are a terrorist group 6 years ago after they've been tolerated (not taken out of the list) by this traitorous you still support too. Nonetheless, you, better judgement that your own State, decided that they were acceptable onboard your ship ? Shocked

Your credibility is near 0.

I definitely think the State should get in charge of your case.
Tsao Aubbes
Tidal Lock
Vapor-Lock
#30 - 2017-05-05 18:20:19 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Templis Dragonaurs are not enemies of the Caldari.

Templis Dragonarus are enemies of the Caldari State.

Tressith Sefira > You don't understand. She IS the awkward.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#31 - 2017-05-05 18:50:21 UTC
Tsao Aubbes wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Templis Dragonaurs are not enemies of the Caldari.

Templis Dragonarus are enemies of the Caldari State.

Lieutenant, you are spreading false facts in the IGS, since the link you provided contradicts your own words. There were no mention of Templis Dragonaurs becoming or being enemies in that publication. There was only saying they are in so-called "terrorist" list.

Your behavior is unacceptable and unbecoming of Caldari Officer.

Visit my office at once.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2017-05-05 19:23:48 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

Given the number of people I know within this community who employ terrorists, criminals and traitors there are damn few who in a position to truly judge her.

As for terrorists:

1) I never had a terror-related positions on my ship and never hired personnel interested primarily in terrorism.
There are no and were no terrorists on my ship.


Hi yes I would like to apply for the terrorist position please and thank you.

You honestly have no clue how terrorism works, do you? You think there are job application forms for terrorists?

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost
Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2017-05-05 19:26:10 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

Your behavior is unacceptable and unbecoming of Caldari Officer.

Visit my office at once.


When do you think you're going to shake this Navy LARPing phase?

You don't have authority over other people, even in the State's military. You're just a licensed pirate, a lone wolf.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#34 - 2017-05-05 19:31:02 UTC
Jason Galente wrote:

Hi yes I would like to apply for the terrorist position please and thank you.

Request denied.

Jason Galente wrote:

You honestly have no clue how terrorism works, do you? You think there are job application forms for terrorists?

There are applications and documentations for everything and everywhere.

Besides, I know pretty well how terrorism works, but there's no use for it in my operations. As I replied earlier: request denied.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2017-05-05 19:34:50 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Jason Galente wrote:

Hi yes I would like to apply for the terrorist position please and thank you.

Request denied.

Jason Galente wrote:

You honestly have no clue how terrorism works, do you? You think there are job application forms for terrorists?

There are applications and documentations for everything and everywhere.

Besides, I know pretty well how terrorism works, but there's no use for it in my operations. As I replied earlier: request denied.


Wait, have you actually found a 'terrorist application form'? If so, I would pay a lot to see it.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#36 - 2017-05-05 19:35:54 UTC
Jason Galente wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Jason Galente wrote:

Hi yes I would like to apply for the terrorist position please and thank you.

Request denied.

Jason Galente wrote:

You honestly have no clue how terrorism works, do you? You think there are job application forms for terrorists?

There are applications and documentations for everything and everywhere.

Besides, I know pretty well how terrorism works, but there's no use for it in my operations. As I replied earlier: request denied.


Wait, have you actually found a 'terrorist application form'? If so, I would pay a lot to see it.

I won't hire you. Go away.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
MantelGlobalIndustries
Nadire Security Consultants
Federation Peacekeepers
#37 - 2017-05-05 20:14:28 UTC
Lieutenant Aubbes is an officer of the Crimson Serpent Syndicate corporation and as such does not fall under your oversight, and most certainly is not compelled by any authority you wield to submit to any reprimand that you apparently see fit to deliver on your own volition, Commander Kim.

The Lieutenant rightfully pointed out that the Templis Dragonaurs are a terrorist organisation as confirmed by the highest authority in the Caldari State, the Chief Executive Panel, a status that has always applied to such an odious entity responsible for heinous crimes against State and Federal citizen alike.

If you see fit to raise a complaint regarding the conduct of one of my officers or employees under my command, then please raise them with me in a private correspondence rather than resorting to the public forums to have at them without due process.

Edward H. Adams

Commander

Heiian Conglomerate
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#38 - 2017-05-05 20:36:01 UTC
MantelGlobalIndustries wrote:

The Lieutenant rightfully pointed out that the Templis Dragonaurs are a terrorist organisation as confirmed by the highest authority in the Caldari State, the Chief Executive Panel,

Which doesn't correspond to the claim she did, as being terrorist doesn't equate to being enemy of the State, and such claim put a stain on her honor.

Moreover, they are our terrorists, who fight against the Federation. That makes them enemies of the Federation. You probably should read whom against and what for they stand before making similar claims yourself, General.

MantelGlobalIndustries wrote:
a status that has always applied to such an odious entity responsible for heinous crimes against State and Federal citizen alike.

Status of terrorist involves only being engaged in terror activity, not a criminal activity, General.

The letter with official complaint will be coming shortly.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
kul Shaishi
Yurai-Tenshin Zaibatsu
#39 - 2017-05-05 20:50:22 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
MantelGlobalIndustries wrote:

The Lieutenant rightfully pointed out that the Templis Dragonaurs are a terrorist organisation as confirmed by the highest authority in the Caldari State, the Chief Executive Panel,

Which doesn't correspond to the claim she did, as being terrorist doesn't equate to being enemy of the State, and such claim put a stain on her honor.

Moreover, they are our terrorists, who fight against the Federation. That makes them enemies of the Federation. You probably should read whom against and what for they stand before making similar claims yourself, General.

MantelGlobalIndustries wrote:
a status that has always applied to such an odious entity responsible for heinous crimes against State and Federal citizen alike.

Status of terrorist involves only being engaged in terror activity, not a criminal activity, General.

The letter with official complaint will be coming shortly.

Diana Kim You are The definition of a traitor a coward A idiot
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
SL33PERS
#40 - 2017-05-05 21:00:13 UTC
To be branded a terrorist by a state, means that you have engaged in terror acts against that particular state. The Dragonaurs are an officially recognised terrorist organisation by the State.