EVE General Discussion

If that is the case, then perhaps it is the lack of sufficient destruction. We need more conflict!

Why?

What is causing that imbalance?

Ok, fair enough.

But if you dont know that, how can you know that the game should cool it with the isk sinks?

I do find myself in agreement with Teckos as to no new ISK sinks are needed.

CCP have reduced the income potential from WH space based on capital escalations so that quite a few people I know have left WH space, IMO that is a good thing.

CCP have also made carrier ratting more active so it costs ISK unless you are on top of it, but I cannot help thinking that a fighter pilot coming to a complete stop after blowing some one up in the middle of a fight is a bit dumb.

I get the impression that CCP are reigning in some of the more over the top ISK fonts and that is a good thing and I like the direction they are going with this.

Rorqual mining, this is causing some adjustment in the way Eve works, but is I think it is a good approach because more people are using capitals and are happy to lose them because they can replace them easier, again a good thing. The problem is that it is causing deflation on T1 hulls, but again that means people will have throw away ships which will create more content.

T2 production will have a serious change incoming which could reverse the overall deflation at least the impact on T2 items, though I had the impression that T2 items had gone up in price. This will be a quite rocky period and fun to watch as certain people try to work out how to mae it a passive income for them.... The issue is on who will be mining the stuff after it has been ripped from the moon, a number of people have said that this will be dealt with in terms of parasite alliances who control space and rent it out charging more for systems with good moons thus forcing the renter to mine them.

Like RL economics there are many different views as to why and how and what will be, but no more ISK sinks are needed, I just injected two lots of capital training blocks and that is one hell of an ISK sink.

Anyway this is not an argument point of view just an opinion, I will give Teckos some credit for admitting that he did not know, because I don't either, but I would like to see his opinion.

just get all of you null sec alliance to come in with +5 and gank every ship unti your -10, rinse and repeat, I would do pods, you would get more ganking time out of just ships.

I wrote this a few pages back.



I think there maybe validity to those suggestions.

I've also come around to the idea that ISK is not a fiat currency but what some have called a synthetic commodity currency. A synthetic commodity currency is one where the scarcity is "absolute"--i.e. it is not controlled by a central bank, but some other process that nobody controls, but is controlled by many. An example is bitcoin. Nobody controls the growth rate of the number of bitcoin. It is my understanding that the growth of the number of bitcoin is based on processing transactions and securing the network using specialized hardware with a computer. Thus, like mining for gold there is a cost. One is only going to mine for gold, or create bitcoins, up to the point were marginal cost = marginal benefit. So bitcoin shares this trait with gold. However, gold is different in that it has uses aside from being money. Bitcoin does not, its only use is as money kinda like fiat money. Now fiat money is supplied by a central bank which has monopoly power over that supply. And by creating artificial scarcity and committing to that scarcity the central bank ensures the "value" of the money.

Why is ISK a synthetic commodity currency? CCP does not directly control the supply in game. They have given that power over to players...all the players. We are all either creating or destroying ISK based on what we do in game. Those who rat create ISK. When they buy things off the market they destroy ISK. When people in stall an industrial job they are destroying ISK. So the whole thing is this big uncontrolled process of creating and destroying ISK.

In fact, this might be why there is deflation, but the economy his handling it. It might be possible that the deflationary spiral theory holds only for fiat currencies. IDK...I've only recently returned to studying monetary theory, central banks and stuff like that.

And the fact that it would do nothing to address what you are talking about.
Since the disconnect in EVE's economy is being heavily driven by Nullsec economy, as it can be directly traced to the expansions that gave null all the low end minerals, and the Citadel & EC expansions. Mining increased with those changes even before we consider drone mining, CCP released figures showing Null had overtaken high as the largest ore producer, and that was before the Rorqual & Orca shifts. Since those I imagine Null is likely producing at least twice as much.

Those changes broke the idea that all area's of EVE are interconnected, and instead made one area far more independent than all the other areas, that same area happens to be where the bulk of consumption of materials happens, and where the bulk of isk got printed.

Under the old system, things got consumed in Null, players went from Null to high with isk, and bought in highsec, then went back out to null and consumed.

Under the new system, players produce in null, & then also produce isk which just sits in their wallets for the most part since they are producing, not consuming. And any consumption gets replaced by local production. Meaning the entire economy got thrown out of balance as a result of Null no longer being dependent on High Sec. (Sure, the high sec markets still move & all, but a massive chunk has moved to self sufficient on alliance levels)

There are a number of approaches to change all this, and I still hold that increasing the gank timer (as in longer before you get blown up by concord), doing some changes to industrial ships & massively reducing the number of dockable highsec stations would do a dramatic increase on meaning of wars & therefore consumption in High Sec space.
But the main changes need to affect Null, as that is where the markets get driven by, and where the large scale consumption happens, and those changes need to give Null a reason to go to war and actually fight over space to the point where more titans die than get built a day (& last figures CCP released were 2 titans get built a day, with EC's making that potentially three times faster if I remember the maths right, so we could be up to 6 new titans a day, with similar ratio's of supers, etc all getting built)

However I agree with the basic premise of the initial post, that isk sinks are right now not an issue, though the march economic report indicated they might be in the future again once the consumption issue is addressed (+20 trillion again, now the spike of returning accounts then leaving again has evened out).

then all that isk sitting around becomes a problem and prices would shoot up and we need to talk isk sinks.

I must say I'm excited about the new pve with the blood ship yards, should hopefully result in a lot of destruction, and resource sinks into building faction caps. And then when that AI gets to other npcs hopefully a bit more.

Just as there is no such thing as an innocent miner, yet you cry and ***** and moan here constantly about the sociopathic gankers that shoot at ships that can't shoot back.

There's no issue with hunting. None whatsoever. It's just the hypocrisy of being a miner SJW in a game based on shooting ships, anywhere in space, while having a different attitude outside.

I'll never understand hypocrits I guess, especially the miner SJW type.

In which case I would have a low number of ships and would have perhaps one or two low cost self defence ships, the doctrines and a single ratter, thus meaning that I would pass on going out to have fun with roaming gangs, but if that is what you want to see then go for it mate, personally I rather like the ability to look at the perfect ship for the job and go out for it and not worry about the overwhelming super and titans of the Goons or PL coming in and head shooting us.

I guess you like stale boring play where no one fights, silly really...