EVE New Citizens Q&A

I m posting this here since there doesn't seem to be a complaints forum. If there is, move this post for me. And maybe make that part of the forums easier to find for people like me.

Today I spent my 'budget' so I can blow up on a nice firetail in FW. I ran into some gate camping incursion NPC in FW space. The system was blue, meaning all incursion missions had been run). And I didn't notice them at first because they weren't selected on my overview. After I did notice I tried to mwd back to the gate asap. But the heavy web and the point on me made it impossible to get away.

Needless to say the fun factor in this was very close to zero. I am moderately okay with player gatecamps (but only because I learned how to get through 95% of the time). What is CCP's idea behind this? Does CCP want me to fly around in warp core stabbed ships only again? Does CCP want to replace the PvP by PvE? I was completely willing to lose this ship in PvP. Someone else would've had fun too. But today ended in a big anti-climaxal win for the NPC's and a loss for 'the players'.

In short: CCP please remove NPC gatecamps from the game. Player gatecamps are more than enough for most players. And I am not even mentioning how demotivating something like this can be for new players. Maybe even resulting into them leaving the game.

PS: Oh did I tell I had positive standings with the faction NPC's that attacked me? If they like me. Why would they attack? I would even have considered helping them with their incursion if they wouldn't outright kill me.

A firetail (faction frigate). Oh and with blue I ment the progress bar of the incursion :).

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Yeh now I only have to check maps on kills last hour, pod losses last hour AND incursions before I undock. I probably forgot to check on something too in that list...

I think it is too harsh too force incursion PvE on players who don't really care about it. It's fine if those npc's disrupt inside of incursion sites, when a player is committed to fight them. But if you re passing through they shouldn't be able to lock a frigate before it warps off. It really doesn't add any value to EVE it detracts value (players can't do what they do want to do).

They should:
* Throw a notification if I enter a system
like the one you get entering enemy space if you re in FW. So I know what is happening and realise npc's are chasing me.
* Remove those npc's from the gates. Or at least not allow the ones at the gate to disrupt. Gatecamps have always been a heated point of discussion. Gate miners love them and many other players don't. CCP isn't doing a large part of the playerbase any favours by creating NPC gatecamps. In fact I personally think it's a horrible game design choice. They might as well randomly explode a ship you are flying. (That was a hyperbole by the way).

Oh noes you have to spend an extra 30 seconds or less checking some basic info before heading out for the day. Good news is that clearly that firetail of yours wasn't worth even 30 extra seconds of your time to keep safe... but I'm curious why you would be complaining if that's the case?

Actually it isn't a hyperbole, it's just more of your misunderstanding of what EvE is.

There is (or was until recently) a training mission which explodes your ship deliberately, to get you used to the idea of permanent loss early. It's not a fight, it's an explosion that just wipes out your shiny new frigate as a newbie.

Quite obviously the game is designed around this concept to the point where the developers deliberately chose to introduce the concept to every new player as early as possible.

As i've mentioned : EvE is supposed to be Hard, EvE is supposed to be Savage. The game is supposed to kick your favorite sandcastle all over your ice cream, and we like it that way.

EvE isn't for everyone so i'll make this a humble request instead of the standard HTFU reply. Please consider that EvE is such a niche game that it is never going to be loved by everyone or even most people. Those of us who do like it, have no desire to see it softened into a hand holding hello kitty experience, especially to satisfy people who the game isn't aimed at. Secondly please accept that because you have provided no reasoning other than "i don't want to", your argument for changing a core part of the game has literally 0 merit, and it is your constant re-iteration of this poor reasoning that has brought on the "insulting tone".

I don't see the problem here. Are you saying I should stay in high sec. That's no fun most of the time. To me the threats in EVE should be generated by people, not npc gatecamps you can't avoid or know about until they never shot you.

If you look on dotlan you will see the sites that have incursions have a "glow" around the systems. Ive been done by those incursion rats on gates before too, but it happens once, you learn it, you adjust.

With the gatecamps from NPC's i've found i have plenty of time to warp away, and always zoom out in tac view mode to make sure theres no NPC's at the gate before i uncloak,or if im jumping too a gate i jump 90% of the time before they have a chance to lock me. i can't take on 3 or so battleships by myself (im only about 3-4 months into the game, and am only in a maelstrom) luckily for me i haven't died to NPC gatecamps, though i have died to player gate camps 3 times (i haven't learned how to dodge them yet ;_;)
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This type of dogmatic hyperbole is constantly being spewed in these forums by a select few who only preach it when it benefits themselves.

I'm sorry but I keep seeing people talk about 'Actions verses Consequences' and 'Risk verses Reward' but only when it benefits themselves. For example, if Eve is supposed to be hard, savage and tough, then why do Suicide Gankers get Security Tags to constantly repair their Security status ?

The OP has a point and I think CCP definitely needs to look into it as well as the Drifter NPC's that hang out next to the level 1 SOE Epic Arc station in Arnon system. That's just plain stupid game mechanics, having a newbie Epic Arc station camped by overpowered NPC's.


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