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I'm going to be completely honest here, what's fun about Eve?

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Joey Bags
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#41 - 2017-05-01 15:31:52 UTC
For me, the most rewarding thing (which makes it fun) is the ability to adapt and overcome in order to succeed. "I want a bigger ship but I don't have the ISK and my current money making scheme isn't making enough?" figure it out. Pesky gate campers along my preferred route, go around or figure out how to beat the campers. "I'm a gate camper but the current fits/mechanics don't allow me to blap as many people as I did a year ago" figure new fits, ships. Small corp keeps getting wardec? Move or get a bigger group of players and form an alliance. etc.
CCP themselves alter the mechanics of the game often enough (somewhat) that you need to adapt to a changing universe. Adapting successfully is winning EvE and that's fun.

You can pick your friends and you can pick your nose but you can't pick your friends nose. Unless you podded them...and collected their corpse.

Jenn aSide
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#42 - 2017-05-01 15:49:41 UTC
Joey Bags wrote:
For me, the most rewarding thing (which makes it fun) is the ability to adapt and overcome in order to succeed. "I want a bigger ship but I don't have the ISK and my current money making scheme isn't making enough?" figure it out. Pesky gate campers along my preferred route, go around or figure out how to beat the campers. "I'm a gate camper but the current fits/mechanics don't allow me to blap as many people as I did a year ago" figure new fits, ships. Small corp keeps getting wardec? Move or get a bigger group of players and form an alliance. etc.
CCP themselves alter the mechanics of the game often enough (somewhat) that you need to adapt to a changing universe. Adapting successfully is winning EvE and that's fun.


What you describe is the antithesis of what most gamers are (by the way, thank you for the opportunity to use the word "antithesis", got my word of the day quote filled :) ).

Most gamers want to be told a story they can mildly interact with. Sandbox gamers including much of the EVE community don't give a flip about stories, they want to either make their own stories or have something to tinker with (Like you, I am a Tinkerer, personally i don't give a flip about the lore OR player made history/stories/politics, I just like to make space ships do different things , better than last time).

The Op needs to ask himself some questions like "what do i want", "what do i like" and "Am i able to put up with things I don't like in a videogame in order to enjoy the things I do like". Most gamers (including many that post on these forums, not necessarily Chewy) never ask any questions and just expect the game to cater to their enjoyment needs.
Pix Severus
Empty You
#43 - 2017-05-01 16:28:48 UTC
EVE is as unfun as you make it.

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Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
#44 - 2017-05-01 18:36:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Algarion Getz
Chewytowel Haklar wrote:
I suppose for a game that is niche it is clearly only meant for a certain type of player. It does however have the absolutely worse pve I have ever seen in a game. I know that it wasn't meant to be a pve game, but the content here is in some places so atrociously bad that is literally painful to play it.

EVE PvE is a punishment. A punishment for losing fights/ships. Thatswhy PvP in EVE is so exciting.
Devon Stone
Virgo Wheeler
#45 - 2017-05-01 18:39:27 UTC
The greatest majority of people just leave quietly when they don't like the game.

What's the agenda?
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
#46 - 2017-05-01 18:51:55 UTC
Devon Stone wrote:
The greatest majority of people just leave quietly when they don't like the game.

What's the agenda?

oh numbnuts here's been at this for years.

never has cleared that particular point up, just bemoans [insert a thing] , stirs the pot and then goes back wherever he came from.
Chewytowel Haklar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2017-05-01 22:35:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Chewytowel Haklar
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Devon Stone wrote:
The greatest majority of people just leave quietly when they don't like the game.

What's the agenda?

oh numbnuts here's been at this for years.

never has cleared that particular point up, just bemoans [insert a thing] , stirs the pot and then goes back wherever he came from.


The point is this game needs better PVE content. Perhaps something more on rails, very fun and story centric, and they could also ad in some epic cutscenes!
Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
#48 - 2017-05-02 00:25:37 UTC
Chewytowel Haklar wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Devon Stone wrote:
The greatest majority of people just leave quietly when they don't like the game.

What's the agenda?

oh numbnuts here's been at this for years.

never has cleared that particular point up, just bemoans [insert a thing] , stirs the pot and then goes back wherever he came from.


The point is this game needs better PVE content. Perhaps something more on rails, very fun and story centric, and they could also ad in some epic cutscenes!


Perhaps this is NOT the game for you?

I recently re-subbed for 3 months to a well known fantasy game, and it's already annoying me (again) with some of the storylines, NPCs fawning over the character, and cutscenes. Oh, and devious ploys to keep the player running to stand still. Evil

There, the developers decree what is fun, here it's up to us to use what's given and create fun.

And IMHO, fun happens when you play with others here.Twisted


Zarek Kree
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2017-05-02 04:23:17 UTC
This is either a troll or PH needs to come collect their wayward child who's pissing in the punch bowl and embarrassing them in front of God and everybody.
BSchneider
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2017-05-02 06:22:30 UTC
Chewytowel Haklar wrote:
I've tried joining various groups here and there and while some were quite interesting to be around it didn't last forever. Eve seems incredibly complicated for me at least. Perhaps it is simply just not for me at all. However, I want to like it, no really I do! I like the ships and their designs, the vastness of space, and the various economies players set up. Yet Eve doesn't seem like a game you can sit back,relax, and enjoy.

I suppose for a game that is niche it is clearly only meant for a certain type of player. It does however have the absolutely worse pve I have ever seen in a game. I know that it wasn't meant to be a pve game, but the content here is in some places so atrociously bad that is literally painful to play it. It just isn't entertaining in the log run, nor fun to do over and over again. You go to a station and click on a box and up pops some out of date dialog window telling you how important something is. It doesn't matter though, and the mission isn't important as it is simply the equivalent of a daily mission you can do over and over for a reward. You get sent out into a space to enter a room filled with targets that you shoot again and again. I don't know how to improve the way missions are but they are so uninteresting. Maybe pve isn't the primary focus of Eve but if anything hopefully the missions will be getting a rework in the future (esp mining and distribution?).

Market trading, economies, industry are all spreadsheet related things I don't care for. Maybe the game could do a better job of including more features to help players out without requiring third party applications? I realize the community is very talented, but I could care less about setting up spreadsheets and complicated programs just to play a game. I really can't say much about this because I don't care for it honestly. Industry and building things is something I would like to do in Eve but yet it seems pointless as well to me. An that is because I have no idea why I would even want to bother getting good at this to make isk when I don't know what I would do with it.

The game is mainly about two things: pvp and the economy. But largely it comes down to pvp. I don't find pvp in Eve fun frankly and I'm not entirely sure why. Fitting ships, different ships to chose from, and building up your skills to do something is all fun. Yet, when it comes down to it there seems to be something lacking in ship vs ship combat. It seems too bland, while also being at the very same time fairly complicated. You don't simply fly to a ship, orbit, and press f1. You have to know the ships you are up against, the fittings they might use, the holes they have in their resists, and how to counter each situation. You also need to know when you simply not bother and not engage. That doesn't include managing range and your velocity in relation to theirs to do as optimal dps as you possibly can in your limited engagement window. In the end it seems far too punishing. You can not only lose your ship, but your whole fit, and even your pod including implants you might have had as well. So in the end I think that this is the major deal breaker for quite a few. Eve isn't a game where you can just lose your avatar over and over again and keep coming back and still do damage without having lost anything.

In other games you can be practically naked and still contribute in a fight. You can walk up to a fully armored player in pvp and knock them out and steal all their stuff while naked. Eve however isn't like that. You have to have isk and you have to be able to afford to lose it when buying ships. Those ships have to be fitted, and I can't simply knock out a ship and steal its cargo and fitting then laugh at it in jest. Eve kicks you in the nuts and laughs at you for playing it instead. And that is probably the one thing that isn't marketed about it: Eve is the Demon's Souls of mmo space games. It isn't supposed to be fun necessarily but hard. The players make that even harder as they have been here far longer than anyone just joining. I mean basically by joining the game and undocking you are opening up a world of hurt! The game also relies heavily on the players to pull others in, and one of the very first things they can be greeted with is a mining corporation in high sec.

Which leads me to the last thing. Everyone in Eve is fighting for the part of Eve that makes it fun for them. And pretty much all of those things revolve around wrecking other peoples dreams and ambitions. Eve isn't fun! You guys all suck! I hate you all!

:(


....then .... leave? There are tons of happy-go-lucky-pokemon-and-unicorn mmos out there just for you.
Chewytowel Haklar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2017-05-02 11:05:31 UTC
BSchneider wrote:
Chewytowel Haklar wrote:
I've tried joining various groups here and there and while some were quite interesting to be around it didn't last forever. Eve seems incredibly complicated for me at least. Perhaps it is simply just not for me at all. However, I want to like it, no really I do! I like the ships and their designs, the vastness of space, and the various economies players set up. Yet Eve doesn't seem like a game you can sit back,relax, and enjoy.

I suppose for a game that is niche it is clearly only meant for a certain type of player. It does however have the absolutely worse pve I have ever seen in a game. I know that it wasn't meant to be a pve game, but the content here is in some places so atrociously bad that is literally painful to play it. It just isn't entertaining in the log run, nor fun to do over and over again. You go to a station and click on a box and up pops some out of date dialog window telling you how important something is. It doesn't matter though, and the mission isn't important as it is simply the equivalent of a daily mission you can do over and over for a reward. You get sent out into a space to enter a room filled with targets that you shoot again and again. I don't know how to improve the way missions are but they are so uninteresting. Maybe pve isn't the primary focus of Eve but if anything hopefully the missions will be getting a rework in the future (esp mining and distribution?).

Market trading, economies, industry are all spreadsheet related things I don't care for. Maybe the game could do a better job of including more features to help players out without requiring third party applications? I realize the community is very talented, but I could care less about setting up spreadsheets and complicated programs just to play a game. I really can't say much about this because I don't care for it honestly. Industry and building things is something I would like to do in Eve but yet it seems pointless as well to me. An that is because I have no idea why I would even want to bother getting good at this to make isk when I don't know what I would do with it.

The game is mainly about two things: pvp and the economy. But largely it comes down to pvp. I don't find pvp in Eve fun frankly and I'm not entirely sure why. Fitting ships, different ships to chose from, and building up your skills to do something is all fun. Yet, when it comes down to it there seems to be something lacking in ship vs ship combat. It seems too bland, while also being at the very same time fairly complicated. You don't simply fly to a ship, orbit, and press f1. You have to know the ships you are up against, the fittings they might use, the holes they have in their resists, and how to counter each situation. You also need to know when you simply not bother and not engage. That doesn't include managing range and your velocity in relation to theirs to do as optimal dps as you possibly can in your limited engagement window. In the end it seems far too punishing. You can not only lose your ship, but your whole fit, and even your pod including implants you might have had as well. So in the end I think that this is the major deal breaker for quite a few. Eve isn't a game where you can just lose your avatar over and over again and keep coming back and still do damage without having lost anything.

In other games you can be practically naked and still contribute in a fight. You can walk up to a fully armored player in pvp and knock them out and steal all their stuff while naked. Eve however isn't like that. You have to have isk and you have to be able to afford to lose it when buying ships. Those ships have to be fitted, and I can't simply knock out a ship and steal its cargo and fitting then laugh at it in jest. Eve kicks you in the nuts and laughs at you for playing it instead. And that is probably the one thing that isn't marketed about it: Eve is the Demon's Souls of mmo space games. It isn't supposed to be fun necessarily but hard. The players make that even harder as they have been here far longer than anyone just joining. I mean basically by joining the game and undocking you are opening up a world of hurt! The game also relies heavily on the players to pull others in, and one of the very first things they can be greeted with is a mining corporation in high sec.

Which leads me to the last thing. Everyone in Eve is fighting for the part of Eve that makes it fun for them. And pretty much all of those things revolve around wrecking other peoples dreams and ambitions. Eve isn't fun! You guys all suck! I hate you all!

:(


....then .... leave? There are tons of happy-go-lucky-pokemon-and-unicorn mmos out there just for you.


Says the guy in an alliance that ran from their allies, as well as an amazing fight, during WWB. Maybe you should take your own advice?
Vokan Narkar
New Eden Traders Aliance
#52 - 2017-05-02 11:14:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Vokan Narkar
All you wrote about EVE is true.

PVE sucks hard. Mining is the worst implementation of resource harvesting I ever saw in a video game.

Nevertheless this game has something that makes you to either love it or hate it. Sometimes both.

The part of this game that has biggest potential is the player to player interaction for this MMO is very rich.

Also the PvP is fun at least for me. Preparing and making fits for each situation, finding a fight you can win, using the knowhow about enemy ship and possible fit to win the fight, keep the range to stay on optimal... Maybe your problem is losing. Try to win sometimes you will like PvP more Twisted.

And the trading and economy is very elaborated and realistic. I guess this part of game isn't for everyone but it is definitely one of the well made things there are.



EVE is special. The game itself offers very little to do. But the thousands of players inside the game offers you almost unlimited things to do. You just have to figure out what you enjoy and then do it.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2017-05-02 14:12:22 UTC
Revis Owen wrote:
Chewytowel Haklar wrote:
Eve doesn't seem like a game you can sit back,relax, and enjoy.

I suppose for a game that is niche it is clearly only meant for a certain type of player.


Eve is for those who enjoy a game where you CAN'T sit back and relax, at least if you expect to survive or succeed.

Wrong. The whole my game for 7 years if "sitting back and relax". And still i'm here, having fun time by time.

This is what is great in this game.

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Salt Foambreaker
Greedy Pirates
#54 - 2017-05-02 16:19:41 UTC
OP reminds me of UO preRen bears; they insist on playing a PvP game even though they don't want to PvP. Then when pixel death occurs they complain and want to change a PvP game to make it safe.

No "planet Trammel" in EVE!

xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
Already Replaced.
#55 - 2017-05-02 16:27:23 UTC
Chewytowel Haklar wrote:
Cybertherion wrote:
EvE is fun when YOU are winning. But you're part of the McDonalds of EvE, so what the poster above me said. Learn to cook.


So you're telling me that I joined another mining corporation which is masquerading as a nullsec power.


still with them i see, so you must be happy and having fun. i guess you just needed to have a little whine and a moan. Roll

Yarosara Ruil
Haighare Pirates
#56 - 2017-05-02 20:40:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Yarosara Ruil
Chewytowel Haklar wrote:
Says the guy in an alliance that ran from their allies, as well as an amazing fight, during WWB. Maybe you should take your own advice?


Oooh, you're so adorable, parroting the things you hear your PL puppetmasters say! How delightfully precocious of you! I just want to pinch your cheeks now!

You were a lowly foot soldier at best, and your long-winded rant made it crystal clear you were not having fun being a toy soldier fighting for big alliances. The fun you seek is out there, outside of Pandemic Horde. Don't you see it? Even the mining corps you so detest are having more fun per hour than you.

Are you going to tell me to leave my own alliance too? Or is my dank reddit flair-bait alliance too low key for you?
Nicola Romanoff
Tannhauser C-Beam
#57 - 2017-05-02 21:07:21 UTC
I know what you mean, some aspects of eve are boring, as in most games I guess, but a lot of the good things about the game is speaking to and doing things with other people. Going out on a roam with just 3 or4 other people and attacking another groups of players (hopefully without getting blobbed) can be quite an adrenaline filled experience.

PVE in terms on missions is boring I agree, but try other things to make it interesting such as doing it in a ship not designed for that level, like a cruiser in a l4 for example, that will make it a lot harder, although of course it will take a lot longer and generally I think the design aspect around PVE missions is simply to give isk to pay for PVP stuff

Trading etc I agree is for people with the knowledge, the API allows data to be pulled from game and so (I believe) that the richest people in eve probably do their own spreadhseets and so have an advantage.

You can learn all those things about your PVP opponents or just fit up some ships cheaply and attack them all anyway, that’s where I find my fin anyways
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2017-05-04 04:39:16 UTC
Chewytowel Haklar wrote:
I've tried joining various groups here and there and while some were quite interesting to be around it didn't last forever. Eve seems incredibly complicated for me at least. Perhaps it is simply just not for me at all. However, I want to like it, no really I do! I like the ships and their designs, the vastness of space, and the various economies players set up. Yet Eve doesn't seem like a game you can sit back,relax, and enjoy.

I suppose for a game that is niche it is clearly only meant for a certain type of player. It does however have the absolutely worse pve I have ever seen in a game. I know that it wasn't meant to be a pve game, but the content here is in some places so atrociously bad that is literally painful to play it. It just isn't entertaining in the log run, nor fun to do over and over again. You go to a station and click on a box and up pops some out of date dialog window telling you how important something is. It doesn't matter though, and the mission isn't important as it is simply the equivalent of a daily mission you can do over and over for a reward. You get sent out into a space to enter a room filled with targets that you shoot again and again. I don't know how to improve the way missions are but they are so uninteresting. Maybe pve isn't the primary focus of Eve but if anything hopefully the missions will be getting a rework in the future (esp mining and distribution?).

Market trading, economies, industry are all spreadsheet related things I don't care for. Maybe the game could do a better job of including more features to help players out without requiring third party applications? I realize the community is very talented, but I could care less about setting up spreadsheets and complicated programs just to play a game. I really can't say much about this because I don't care for it honestly. Industry and building things is something I would like to do in Eve but yet it seems pointless as well to me. An that is because I have no idea why I would even want to bother getting good at this to make isk when I don't know what I would do with it.

The game is mainly about two things: pvp and the economy. But largely it comes down to pvp. I don't find pvp in Eve fun frankly and I'm not entirely sure why. Fitting ships, different ships to chose from, and building up your skills to do something is all fun. Yet, when it comes down to it there seems to be something lacking in ship vs ship combat. It seems too bland, while also being at the very same time fairly complicated. You don't simply fly to a ship, orbit, and press f1. You have to know the ships you are up against, the fittings they might use, the holes they have in their resists, and how to counter each situation. You also need to know when you simply not bother and not engage. That doesn't include managing range and your velocity in relation to theirs to do as optimal dps as you possibly can in your limited engagement window. In the end it seems far too punishing. You can not only lose your ship, but your whole fit, and even your pod including implants you might have had as well. So in the end I think that this is the major deal breaker for quite a few. Eve isn't a game where you can just lose your avatar over and over again and keep coming back and still do damage without having lost anything.

In other games you can be practically naked and still contribute in a fight. You can walk up to a fully armored player in pvp and knock them out and steal all their stuff while naked. Eve however isn't like that. You have to have isk and you have to be able to afford to lose it when buying ships. Those ships have to be fitted, and I can't simply knock out a ship and steal its cargo and fitting then laugh at it in jest. Eve kicks you in the nuts and laughs at you for playing it instead. And that is probably the one thing that isn't marketed about it: Eve is the Demon's Souls of mmo space games. It isn't supposed to be fun necessarily but hard. The players make that even harder as they have been here far longer than anyone just joining. I mean basically by joining the game and undocking you are opening up a world of hurt! The game also relies heavily on the players to pull others in, and one of the very first things they can be greeted with is a mining corporation in high sec.

Which leads me to the last thing. Everyone in Eve is fighting for the part of Eve that makes it fun for them. And pretty much all of those things revolve around wrecking other peoples dreams and ambitions. Eve isn't fun! You guys all suck! I hate you all!

:(

You've described the reasons why EvE never really became successful. The standard PvP and standard PvE is really quite aweful. It is essentially an aweful game.

You can make it fun though if you don't play it the way CCP and the fanbois demand it be played. Exceedingly difficult and frustrating but almost worth the waste of your time.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#59 - 2017-05-04 05:15:02 UTC
What was fun about Eve....

That time I talked some freshly ganked noobs into going back into lowsec to attack the same pirates, win or lose, and turned victims into fighters. The stuff coming from those noobs in fleet chat while waiting to decloak, and the horribly bad tactics still make me laugh to this day. Everybody had a good time, and the pirates even gave the noobs some ISK and advice.

Dropping into a live event incursion after following one of its actors 20 jumps gathering up a fleet. We were all using the ships we were in. Unplanned, spontaneous. My hands shook. Scores of nightmares on grid and nothing but sheer chaos.

That first time I went into a wormhole and found out how far out sleepers can hit. Or that second time with a corp, where the FC goes into the site alone with a hyperion, then silence for a bit, and then one word in fleet channel: "help".

That one time in the live events channel I said one thing and up popped all the old names from those live event incursions, the old FCs, the RPers - a surprise reunion of old friends with mirth and tales of times past. Those things don't happen much.

When myself and a few others put bubbles outside Mittanigrad (years before World War Bee) and we played cat and mouse with stealth bombers. We almost bombed each other. I was grinning so hard for so long my face cramped.

Before SoE ships, using a T1 BC fitted for exploration and having a DPS of 200 and still surviving low class wormholes and nullsec exploration sites, campers, and sleepers on pure Captain Kirkery and a lot of running away. (With a battleship sized AB)

Ganking wrecks and listening to our spies laugh over CODE. tears.

That one time I got so deep in escalations that Serpentis sent out super ships that looked like white crosses on my overview and they destroyed a ship that I had for 3.5 years (it was a BC with a large rig still in it to show its age).


Did this fun occur every day, all of the time? Of course not. But there were times I would never forget. And all of the boredom in between left no mark in my memory.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Alasdan Helminthauge
AirHogs
Hogs Collective
#60 - 2017-05-04 05:29:47 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:
Try joining something like the hogs collective, they are involved, informed and have tutorials out the wazoo for newbros, plus some usual website signup stuff. So long as they don't actually think you're a spy it should be great.


That's a very good advice. I vote for HC, ourselves :D

As for contributing while being naked, do you know bumping scout? They require very cheap stuff and you will almost never lose them. The only thing you need for these task is your brain (well, bumping may even not require this).
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