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CCP - Can the humans that play this game have an update...

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Il Feytid
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-12-29 20:09:11 UTC
...on the war against the non-humans?

I see more bots now than ever before and there is no sign of it slowing down. They destroy the mineral market, PLEX market due to using it to play for free, I see massive armies of Tengus farming high sec missions, they destroy the belt ratting out in null space, is there no place left that is not tainted by these things? When are the actual players who are at the keyboard going to see some real effort from CCP to be rid of these things?

A dev blog is great, but when it is not backed up with real action; what is the point?
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2011-12-29 20:09:57 UTC
TL;DR

Man up

Dodixie > Hek

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2011-12-29 20:11:02 UTC
they are on forums. All important EVE people dont play EVE, they pay subscription and write on forums. Big smile
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#4 - 2011-12-29 20:14:05 UTC
Nerf high sec Incursion rewards ?

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2011-12-29 20:20:29 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Nerf high sec Incursion rewards ?


Yep the only "content" which is not flooded by bots.. sounds reasonable. Cool
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#6 - 2011-12-29 20:33:04 UTC
Remove local or delay it.

That's the only tool we need to take matters into our own hands. A squad of Thrashers using wormholes to get into deep null would be able to wreak such havoc on bots - by the time the bot operator pushes his fat girlfriend off his lap the wolfpack is already into the next system.


Now the real question is, if CCP is not really going to do anything substantial about it, would they at LEAST give us, the players, a means to do something about it?

There also needs to be a crackdown on those who purchase ISK with RMT. Sorry but you have to get the problem solved on BOTH ends. Eliminate the need to do this, like killing off all of the drug addicts, OR make it all perfectly legal.

That the game requires a grind to get anywhere is a breakdown of the concept. But this has already been addressed. People think "you need ISK to finance your leet PVP" when it's proven that good skills and good fittings say otherwise.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2011-12-29 20:37:31 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Remove local or delay it.

That's the only tool we need to take matters into our own hands. A squad of Thrashers using wormholes to get into deep null would be able to wreak such havoc on bots - by the time the bot operator pushes his fat girlfriend off his lap the wolfpack is already into the next system.


Now the real question is, if CCP is not really going to do anything substantial about it, would they at LEAST give us, the players, a means to do something about it?

There also needs to be a crackdown on those who purchase ISK with RMT. Sorry but you have to get the problem solved on BOTH ends. Eliminate the need to do this, like killing off all of the drug addicts, OR make it all perfectly legal.

That the game requires a grind to get anywhere is a breakdown of the concept. But this has already been addressed. People think "you need ISK to finance your leet PVP" when it's proven that good skills and good fittings say otherwise.



I've been saying it for years.... remove concord and let come what may Pirate

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

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Valei Khurelem
#8 - 2011-12-29 20:42:48 UTC
What we need is for high sec players to have a chance at invading 0.0, as of now it really is just a bunch of chokepoints purely designed for ganking fleets.

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium

Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#9 - 2011-12-29 20:52:10 UTC
I'd agree with the OP

I'm saddened every time I visit jita, that CCP won't get of there A**** and ban people using bots to spam local.

Not really bothered about the scamming but if CCP sent a GM there for 1 hour a day and banned anyone who spams the channel and is uncontactable by private convo, that would be a start, frankly they don't seem to give a toss.

Given that I'm pretty sure the rest of there 'policy against bots' is just PR Bull, if they can't even do the simplest thing to start to address the problem.

Why, and I know they fervently deny it but, $$$'s , why should they put time and effort into either coming up with better serverside checking or even actually get into the game and scout about, when at the end of the day there going to cost themselves $1000's a month.

[center]YOU MUST THINK FIRST....[/center] [center]"I sit with the broken angels clutching at straws and nursing our scars.." - Marillion [/center] [center]The wise man watches the rise and fall of fools from afar[/center]

Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#10 - 2011-12-29 20:53:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Professor Alphane
-- Edit double post mistook quote for edit sorry Oops--

[center]YOU MUST THINK FIRST....[/center] [center]"I sit with the broken angels clutching at straws and nursing our scars.." - Marillion [/center] [center]The wise man watches the rise and fall of fools from afar[/center]

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#11 - 2011-12-29 20:55:10 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:
What we need is for high sec players to have a chance at invading 0.0, as of now it really is just a bunch of chokepoints purely designed for ganking fleets.



Well that's a chance for me to once more push my desire to see the usual "point to point dialed in warp" such as what you see done in more famous sci-fi.

But honestly I know it's not going to happen. I simply make that proposal to shut up the cry-babies in null who want CCP to force more people out there through game changes. It exposes that fact that yes they want more people out there, but on THEIR terms. Being able to dial in a point to point warp is moving to 0.0 on your own terms, and they don't like that. They only want renters, targets, or cannon fodder - that's their terms. If you could dial in a warp to any point, that's going on your own terms, and would actually require the nulldwellers to use combat probes, form patrols, and make actual use of all those intel tools that they tell everybody else to use.

This, to a point, does expose the botters too. Botting can be done safely on the null side of the Great Wall of Carebear. That with the NAP fest makes 0.0 a bigger botters heaven than high sec.

The mechanic to get past The Wall already exists, in wormholes - and the Tier 3 battle cruiser would be quite capable of going through most if not all wormholes. So it's already possible to bypass The Wall.

It's local that bot scripts rely on to instantly dock up or warp to a SS and cloak the moment a non-blue appears in the system. I really wonder if the NAP-fest - something that we would not think could be possible in a "destroy everything sandbox game" - has financial motivation and that could well be the motivation of RMT, as if seedy mafioso types who could care less about the game saw money to be made and worked their way into major null alliances.

Also makes me wonder if removing or delaying local means a horses head will appear in Himar's bed.

Indeed the ONE THING that could put an end to 0.0 botting, the removal or delay of local, is not the one thing getting implemented. Make me go "hmmmm".


Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#12 - 2011-12-29 20:57:11 UTC
While I agree with the OP, the sad fact is CCP is going to be taking subscription revenue any way they can get it for the foreseeable future.

Maybe you should lobby your CSM "representatives"?


/that's the joke.

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#13 - 2011-12-29 20:58:13 UTC
Sorry, but CCP security division has been fired in the 20%.

They have subsequently been replaced with bots.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2011-12-29 21:00:38 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Remove local or delay it.

Ganker spotted.
Valei Khurelem wrote:
What we need is for high sec players to have a chance at invading 0.0, as of now it really is just a bunch of chokepoints purely designed for ganking fleets.

If "chokepoints" is all that's stopping you from "invading 0.0", then give up now. You're way too pathetic at warfare to get anywhere.

Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
who could care less

You mean "couldn't care less". If you could care less, why don't you?

Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Also makes me wonder if removing or delaying local means a horses head will appear in Himar's bed.

Indeed the ONE THING that could put an end to 0.0 botting, the removal or delay of local, is not the one thing getting implemented. Make me go "hmmmm".

Ganker spotted.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#15 - 2011-12-29 21:09:23 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Valei Khurelem wrote:
What we need is for high sec players to have a chance at invading 0.0, as of now it really is just a bunch of chokepoints purely designed for ganking fleets.



Well that's a chance for me to once more push my desire to see the usual "point to point dialed in warp" such as what you see done in more famous sci-fi.

But honestly I know it's not going to happen. I simply make that proposal to shut up the cry-babies in null who want CCP to force more people out there through game changes. It exposes that fact that yes they want more people out there, but on THEIR terms. Being able to dial in a point to point warp is moving to 0.0 on your own terms, and they don't like that. They only want renters, targets, or cannon fodder - that's their terms. If you could dial in a warp to any point, that's going on your own terms, and would actually require the nulldwellers to use combat probes, form patrols, and make actual use of all those intel tools that they tell everybody else to use.

This, to a point, does expose the botters too. Botting can be done safely on the null side of the Great Wall of Carebear. That with the NAP fest makes 0.0 a bigger botters heaven than high sec.

The mechanic to get past The Wall already exists, in wormholes - and the Tier 3 battle cruiser would be quite capable of going through most if not all wormholes. So it's already possible to bypass The Wall.

It's local that bot scripts rely on to instantly dock up or warp to a SS and cloak the moment a non-blue appears in the system. I really wonder if the NAP-fest - something that we would not think could be possible in a "destroy everything sandbox game" - has financial motivation and that could well be the motivation of RMT, as if seedy mafioso types who could care less about the game saw money to be made and worked their way into major null alliances.

Also makes me wonder if removing or delaying local means a horses head will appear in Himar's bed.

Indeed the ONE THING that could put an end to 0.0 botting, the removal or delay of local, is not the one thing getting implemented. Make me go "hmmmm".




Cheap bot scripts rely on local, good quality bot scripts do not.

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2011-12-29 21:12:33 UTC
And how many bots are in nullsec vs hisec?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#17 - 2011-12-29 21:24:37 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
And how many bots are in nullsec vs hisec?


same amount.
Topaz Sky
#18 - 2011-12-29 21:26:47 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:

Cheap bot scripts rely on local, good quality bot scripts do not.


Ammzi wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
And how many bots are in nullsec vs hisec?


same amount.


How did you two become so educate?
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#19 - 2011-12-29 21:59:16 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
...on the war against the non-humans?

I see more bots now than ever before



A couple points:

1) Not everything with a mining laser is a bot
2) Not everyone who doesn't feel like talking to you is a bot
3) Not everyone you report as a bot is a bot
4) You are free to load up a tier 3 BC, a tempest, a disco geddon or any other suitable ship and gank the crap out of them.
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#20 - 2011-12-29 22:02:58 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
...on the war against the non-humans?

I see more bots now than ever before



A couple points:

1) Not everything with a mining laser is a bot
2) Not everyone who doesn't feel like talking to you is a bot
3) Not everyone you report as a bot is a bot
4) You are free to load up a tier 3 BC, a tempest, a disco geddon or any other suitable ship and gank the crap out of them.



Just one point really what has any of that got to do with the fact CCP won't pull there finger out.

[center]YOU MUST THINK FIRST....[/center] [center]"I sit with the broken angels clutching at straws and nursing our scars.." - Marillion [/center] [center]The wise man watches the rise and fall of fools from afar[/center]

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