Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Issue

CCP planned to give us 5th subsystems for the T3 cruisers...Clearly this didn't happen, and I believe it was related to there simply not being any more roles that they wanted the ships to fill without making recons and HACs obsolete.

Solution

Give us 'pirate' subsystems for each of the cruisers. These would mimic the standard pirate roles, and have bonuses that reflect these ships. Subsystems would require an extra fullerene sheet, so that alone adds about 20m to the cost of each in addition to the cost increase in procuring the faction 'sleeper databases' needed to reverse engineer these.

In general these changes: Give them a small increase to total HP, a small increase to total DPS with some drawback, add a EW bonus that it didn't have before (but still less than recon-level) and give a small bonus to propulsion (AB strength, cap penalty, or overall velocity)


These will use existing models for each subsystems, with the pirate faction's texture.

HOW TO MAKE THESE

Bill of materials for faction subsystem BPCs will require 2 Fullerene Intercalated Sheets

- New radar sites are created in 0.0.

- These sites vary between 6/10 difficulty and 10/10 difficulty.

- They will drop '[Pirate] Sleeper Technology Database'

- These are added to the reverse engineering process and affect the chance that a faction subsystem BPC will be created.

Proposal

UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED, all pirate subsystems retain stats of the base version

Pirate subsystems require two racial subsystem skills at lvl 5:

True Sansha:Amarr & Caldari
Dark Blood: Amarr & Minmatar
Shadow Serpentis: Gallente & Minmatar
Guristas: Caldari & Gallente
Dominaiton: Minmatar & Gallente


Legion:

Defensive - True Sansha Adaptive Shielding
- 10% bonus to shield hitpoints per level.
- 3500 Shield HP
- 3000 Armor HP
- +1 mid slot
- +1 low slot
- 160m radius
[Need to balanced recharge time]

Offensive - True Sansha Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
- 5% bonus to medium energy turret damage per level
- 7.5% bonus to medium energy turret tracking per level
- 3 turret hardpoints
Note: 100% bonus to Medium Energy Turret damage

Engineering - Dark Blood Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
- 20% bonus to Energy Vampire and Energy Neutralizer range per level
- 5% bonus to capacitor capacity per level
- No hardpoint additions
- 1200 PG or 1290 PG

Electronics - Dark Blood Tactical Targeting Network
- 15% bonus to scan resolution per level
- 5% bonus to Tracking Disruptor effectiveness per level

Propulsion - Dark Blood Fuel Catalyst
- 15% bonus to afterburner speed per level


Proteus

Defensive - Shadow Serpentis Augmented Plating
- 15% bonus to armor HP per level

Offensive - Shadow Serpentis Dissonic Encoding Platform
- 15% bonus to hybrid damage per level
- 7.5% bonus to medium hybrid turret tracking per level
- NO Falloff bonus

Engineering - Shadow Serpentis Power Core Multiplier
- 5% bonus to power output per level.
- 25mbit, 25m^3

Electronics - Shadow Serpentis Cpu Efficiency Gate
- 5% bonus to the velocity factor of stasis webifiers per level
- 5% bonus to CPU per level

Propulsion - Shadow Serpentis Wake Limiter
- 5% increase to microwarpdrive capacitor bonus per level


Tengu

Defensive - Dread Guristas Adaptive Shielding
- 5% bonus to all shield resistances per level
- 3750 shield HP
- 2 mid slots

Offensive - Dread Guristas Accelerated Ejection Bay
- 5% bonus to missile damage per level
- 10% bonus to heavy missile and heavy assault missile velocity per level
- 10% bonus to drone hitpoints and damage per level
- No RoF bonus
- 50mbit, 100m^3 drone space

Engineering - Dread Guristas Supplemental Coolant Injector
- 5% Reduction in the amount of heat damage absorbed by modules per level.
- 50mbit, 100m^3 drone space

Electronics - Dread Guristas Obfuscation Manifold
- 10% bonus to ECM target jammer strength per level
- No range bonus

Propulsion - Dread Guristar Fuel Catalyst
- 15% bonus to afterburner speed per level

Loki

Defensive - DominationAdaptive Shielding
- 5% bonus to all shield resistances per level
- 2 mid slots

Offensive - Dominaiton Projectile Scoping Array
- 5% bonus to medium projectile turret damage per level
- 7.5% bonus to medium projectile turret rate of fire per level
- 10% bonus to medium projectile falloff per level
- No drones


Electronics - Dominaiton Tactical Targeting Network
- 15% bonus to scan resolution per level
- 5% bonus to Target Painter effectiveness per level

Propulsion - Domination Chassis Optimization
- 5% bonus to max velocity per level
- 200 m/s base speed

since there are no sleepers in null sec shouldn't these subsystems be available in the same matter as the current pirate faction ships, as an upgrade to a currently existing empire subsystem from the pirate lp store

I won't go into the details of build requirements and specific modifications granted by the subsystems (and to be honest, even if this was taken on by CCP they're more likely to take the overall concept and make their own version, rather than implementing the specifics of your suggestion), but pirate subsystems are one interesting way of finally tying up the loose ends of the T3 cruiser range, so I approve of the idea in a vague sort of way.

Fun possibility: Faction subsystems can be used by the T3 cruiser of either of the two 'parent' empire factions of that pirate faction: eg a Guristas subsystem can be fitted to both the Tengu and the Proteus.

The Legion will get strong shields and slightly more total dps with no range bonus (but only 3 or 4 turrets)
The Legion will also get a small range bonus for nos/neuts, and a tracking disruptor bonus
The Legion will also get a bigger bonus to AB boost

The Proteus will be able to have more armor, do more hybrid damage, with no falloff bonus,
The Proteus will gain 25mbits with the powergrid subsystem.
The Proteus will gain a small bonus to stasis webifier strength.
The Proteus also gains the MWD cap bonus from the deimos/thorax

The Tengu will retain the 5% shield resistance bonus, but gain shield HP and a midslot that was previously a high slot.
The Tengu will lose a lot of missile DPS and its kinetic bonus, but gain 2 heavy drones or 5 mediums
The Tengu will gain another 2 heavy drones from the engineering subsystem
The Tengu will get an ECM strength bonus instead of a range bonus so it can multi-task better
The Tengu will also get a bigger bonus to AB boost

The Loki will gain about 10% more speed
The Loki will gain a bonus to target painters
The Loki will gain a projectile damage bonus but lose its drones
The Loki will gain a midslot for shield tanking that was previously a high slot

Pirates can reverse engineer empire technology. Or get the blueprints by some other way.

Opps, yes!

Well, I'd think they should be in low sec and in 0.0. It only makes sense to have the specific sites in areas populated by those specific pirates.





Pirates live in 0.0...so why would they not have at least explored them? T3 ships are very popular and these pirate factions have previously had the top ships in the whole game, so I think there is incentive for them to get into this.

I agree with some of what you said.

Some of these are just 'improved' because the pirate versions of T1 ships are in some ways just 'improved' The Vindicator is just a mega with more damage, more armor, and more PG. The only 'special' bonus associated with Serpentis ships is an increase in webifier strength. I attempted to take these 'pirate modifications' to the proteus as well...The armor subsystem gives a bit more armor, the offensive sub deals more damage (with a bonus removed to be more fair), the webifier strength is there.

I will say that there's really Nothing to be done with the propulsion subs, but the idea of having 4 types and not a 5 (thereby removing the ability to have a 'complete' pirate t3 ship) doesn't work. My worry is that the bonus to AB strength just isn't going to be preferred, especially in PVP, and no one will even bother to make complete pirate version with these propulsion mods.

Probably right about that. I can see there being good reason for there not being pirate propulsion subsystems

I'm not sure I like the idea of Removing the bonuses that they had to start with...

Also, the mass bonus of the defensive subsystem is just made up, doesn't reflect the 'serpentis' idea. (All their ships really do have a lot more armor than the t1 versions)

There is certainly a discrepancy between whether or not the goal is to 'compare' to T1 or T2, and honestly I don't even want to go down that route. The T2 versions are 'inspired' by their roles and their corporate creators, and Should have better bonuses to their specific roles.

I do believe that if we get 5th subsystems using the philosophy that I proposed that they Should be better than their standard t3 counterparts. They are going to cost more, and (depending on drop rates in radar sites and such) be rare. I would love to see some of the weaker subsystems have their bonuses adjusted. In fact, I think this is even more important than giving us a 5th set to work with. It cannot be too difficult to scour the market data and see that certain subsystems are simply NOT used. Not at all. Even easier than finding this out, is fixing it. A slight boost to their attributes would be enough, plain and simple.

Regardless of that issue, I believe introducing these pirate subsystems adds a great deal to the diversity of the whole t3 idea. It falls in line with the story and universe of EVE and with the idea that spending a bit more on 'rare' items gives you a slight advantage. Fitting any of these pirate subs to a t3 ship is going to increase the cost by at least 50m and give you one little advantage over any other similarly fit T3 ship. Nothing that would instantly cause you to win, but certainly give you something. Taken to the extreme, players would be able to make complete pirate t3 ships, at a cost of at least 300m ontop of the existing t3 price and have a ship with a Much higher level of diversity, (hopefully) without making them outright overpowered. A proteus will 10% more dps and armor will win a 1v1 against a normal proteus much more often, but isn't going to change the odd more than spending that isk on other faction/pirate mods would. That's the idea. No idea if I achieved that, but it would be a great goal and direction for future t3 expansions.