EVE General Discussion

There are a ton of great games out there and I disagree with your opinion that these types of games suck. There are probably a vast majority of gamers which would like to probably say spending hours trying to do something in EVE is asinine.

Hey, I earned a living programming cheeseburgers for years! :-)

So for the record. I have been playing Eve non-stop for 12 years. I have been elected three times to the CSM. I can speak a bit about how Eve has changed. Here are how I see the differences.

1. Eve felt both bigger but emptier.
2. Eve was simpler. There were far fewer ships to consider for example.
3. Because almost everything was available from NPC vendors the economy held less upside for players.
4. You could make a decent living doing PVE trade, attacking NPC convoys or being part of the BPO lottery.
5. Null has expanded quite a bit.
6. Station interiors were more fun. They seemed like little cities. I miss pleasure hubs!
7. Character creation was less rich so our characters weren't as pretty! :-)
8. Tanking a gate gun was nontrivial.
9. It was harder to turn real dollars into ISKs as there was nothing like the Plex.
10. There were no moon wars as there was no moon mining or POS.
11. NRDS mostly didn't work in the early days either!
12. Eve was still spreadsheets in space even in the beginning. Much of how the Goons did so well back in the early days is they had some of the best folks using those spreadsheets to figure out how to best create the most effective fleets per isks.
13. The CSM served a purpose in the early days as it let the players hold CCP accountable when major exploits happened.
14. There were no mining barges.
15. In the early days we all dreamed of the day we'd have a lot of what we have today.
16. There was more space tourism. It seemed like there were a lot of special things to see in space and they were easier to identify in the map.
17. Eve was hard in the beginning and its is still hard today. But it isn't any harder today then it was then.
18. CCP seemed a bit more secretive with their plans to improve Eve. Of course it meant they didn't over promise as much. Think about the hype around walking in stations.
19. Eve was not as pretty, The Skybox background was fixed and the same where ever you were.
20. CCP promised smuggling was going to be a profession.


I'd love to hear from other folks that have been around for a while as to how they think Eve has evolved. I saw it very much from a more casual industrial point of view. I know others would have seen it differently.

And yet few of those dreamers are happy. The said they wanted things, CCP gave them things, and they got bored or angry and left, or they are still here and angry lol.

This is why I tell the "change" crowd to be careful what you wish for. their standard retort is of course "you are just afraid of change". I'm not, I simply understand that everything (even progress) comes with a cost and you need to ask yourself if you want to pay that cost.

Lots of people don't even think to ask that question and end up bitter as hell.

I have seen that expansions before 2010 added since launch a lot of additional features that added basically new professions to a game. Since I play from 2010 I have seen only iterations on those features.

I would agree with "be careful what you wish for". We got all sorts of things we thought we wanted but not everyone liked how it turned out.

A little while back I decided to step back from asking for things "I" want. Like smuggling and comet mining because I decided I'd rather be surprised with how ever CCP decided to change Eve. Sometime I liked those surprises, sometimes not so much. But I always enjoy not getting my hopes dashed when I try for a change I think I want and not seeing it happen.

Omg, just saw, it's going to be five years soon...

Same.

TBH I think that's the key to happiness. I've actually seen people get so worked up at CCP making a change, or CCP 'not responding to their feedback', or CCP not doing something they want, that they rage on the forums and even rage quit the game. They always come back and I sometimes get a laugh from it, but damn, it's just not that crucial lol.

Overall sub status is classified, private. But apparently, it's all eyes on the null blocks. Forget high sec.

But seriously, how many people join AND stay for more than subscription cycle? We'll never know that.

there exist 2 type of gamers: instant gratification one(majority),long term one(minority).
each one of us fall in one of those two category.

the real problem is that CCP is transforming "a long term game"(perfect for long term players category) into a game that goes towards instant gratification players (check skill injectors, alpha, f2p and whatever).


it will end in two ways imo:
- game will be halfway between the two category: discouraging long term players (too easy, you can buy everything with money, your skills that you trained for so long are now learn in 2 minutes by new players etc), discouraging instant gratification players (still too slow! i want have all skills as soon as i log in and go into pvp arena )

or

- complete shift toward instant gratification players... i mean..... i don't need to describe it right? you can see 20k example all around



we'll have our answers when big games will be released and improved: SC and ED
plus keeping an eye on CCP development of eve (basically how much they push changes towards instant gratification players)

Doubtful you can find any info on that still.. That was back in beta..