Player Features and Ideas Discussion

If we are looking for a very simple way to address this imo it would be to give the races left out faction haulers... It would be very easy to just use an existing ship model, adjust it's stats, and slap a faction paint job on it.

Or we could make alpha clones...... free and you can roll up a galanete one if you have such a craving for their haulers.

Alphas can already fly specialized haulers - free of charge. It can't possibly get any better than that. Just like all things in eve, choices are made and have accompanying trade offs. The whole game works this way. Welcome to Eve.

Personally I see two solutions:
- remove the ships from the alpha-list (see my comment on page 1)
- give Gallente an ammo hauler, Minmatar an ore, mineral and PI hauler, and all four of them to Amarr and Caldari, so every faction will have 6 industrials. Aside from slight adjustments, these ships would be as redundant as the normal industrials.

I prefer the first option, because industrialists can exploit the free special haulers.

Also, the "I don't really care" doesn't really help.

Also also, why does Gallente have 5 haulers again?

I agree with this.
Let me identify some things we have two problems.

1. Power creep of alpha we have alpha carving out market share from omegas and this is threatening the tenure of Omegas through deflation of commodities and inflation of fixed resources. The more an alpha can do the less value an Omega seems to have so we have logger heads.

2. EVE population is constantly fighting to grow the community. This is the whole reason for alphas in the first place. All you pilots that can afford to pay for a subscription obviously want to play with a vibrant growing gaming community.

This is funny argument because this is really the debate over immigrants in most 1st world nations in a nut shell. A myth that the alphas are undermining the value of Omegas. Wow well let me clue some people in I trade a lot and make many items. I supply many regions with items that have no other competition. So when this happens I create ISK in trade. I create value for my corp through taxes and convenience for Omegas and Alphas alike because they get items with less hassle. A RISING TIDE RAISES ALL SHIPS! The more happy EVE players the better word of mouth for EVE. The better word of mouth the more you attract the best and the brightest talent among the gaming community. What EVE player doesn't want more and better EVE players to play with???

So with that said avoid a brain drain care about Alphas the children are your future. If alphas are successful so is EVE and lets not forget we all know Omegas are at the top of the food chain. *kisses ring*

I agree, so much so that I have started training 2 Gallente characters just because of this. I feel that the bottom line is that the facts are facts and were are arguing for Idealism I think CCP has to many Omega accounts (I think vocal minority) all up in arms about any alpha accounts getting any more capabilities. I don't think CCP is going to get a bunch of Omega conversions for the Alphas if gimped to hard. On the other hand If they are sold on Omega as an Alpha due to lack of abilities of an Alpha I think CCP views this as a win. I guess my point is I am a self admitted gimp. As a gimp I will obviously lobby for a ball gauge instead of the zipper mask. With that said this will largely depend on sales of micro transactions versus loss of paid subscriptions.

In conclusion I think that CCP will eventually address this inequity in some manner. Space trucking is a logistical part of the game and like everything else shouldn't be indiscriminately unbalanced. Since i guess no Devs weigh in on any official view I guess they don't have any reasoning for the status quo.

A simpler way to address this is to let all alphas train gallente industrial 2.

My response is that alpha clones should not exist, remove alpha clones and the whole problem goes away including the entitled attitudes of lazy people like the OP. But that is only my opinion and I do not get to make the decision, all I can do is express my opinion and move on.

OP's #4 is a terrible idea and should never be considered, why?
Because that would be unfair the alpha clone players that are willing to put forth the time and effort required to have a Gallente alpha clone either as their primary or as an alt.

Are they?

Check EVE Online frontpage: https://www.eveonline.com/

Notice the slogans.

"Play for free."

"No monthly subscription required."

"Choose the account that best fits your playtyle."

This seems to me that playing as alpha is endorsed by CPP and it is not meant only for new players and it is not meant to be only temporary solution as you suggest.

If I want to play as alpha it doesn't matter if I am vet or newbie its not abusing of anything because it is allowed.


And I repeat - I do not want more free stuff. First of all, Miasmos, Kryos, Epithal are free already, but they are option for only single race/faction. If you want to play as Caldari (because they have most pretty woman avatars) or Amarr (because they have the coolest head covers) you are in disadvantage over Gallente. Second, I'm fine if no race will be able to fly the specialized industrials. Sure for me personally it would be better if it would be the opposite hence why this option is the last on my list, but even if we actually get less free stuff at least I won't feel in disadvantage when I create anything other than Gallente.

Alpha can mine 5000m3 for 15minutes, so to fill miasmos you would have to mine alone for for over two hours. Its invaluable when you mine somewhere where you don't have access to compression and also in fleet/corp or as an free alt for omega to not need to leave belt. Also Epithal is useful for alpha when you are trading - PI is one of the commodities that can be make a profit on with region trading, hauling it without Epithal is problematic though. Very problematic...

However, to just slightly correct your statements, you forget alpha can play only one account at once. You can't even play Omega and Alpha at once. This can be workarounded if you have more than one computers (and not even sure its legit to do that). So sure you can create 5 accounts on alpha but you can use only one at the time so it doesn't have so much abusability as you suggests.

First you are dead wrong, I do not hate any player or players alpha or omega, what I hate is the entire alpha clone option because the very concept of them is flawed and to be honest there is no way it can EVER be fixed. No I am not against the idea of players being able to play the game free, I am against the idiotic way that CCP choose to enable that option. Please let me try to explain.

EvE has many play styles, the ships that work best for each of those play styles are spread out across all 4 races (like the Gallente T1 indy ships) so at the very core restricting players options based on race is an idea that was and is irreparably flawed at the concept phase and it should have been thrown out with the rest of the garbage, but in typical fashion CCP got a bee in their bonnets and well we have the disaster that is alpha clones as a result.

Get ready for another of those you think I am inconsistent moments. I actually agree with the OP the entire alpha clone concept needs to change, where I differ from the OP is in how it should be changed. He / she wants changes to a specific small group of ships because they are the ones he thinks are the most important, what I want is for CCP to trash the entire concept, go back to the drawing board and come out with an idea that actually works reasonably well across all races, ships and play styles. So what are some options here.

If the idea of the alpha is an extended trial account then a much better idea is to simply extend the previous 14 day trial account to 60 or even 90 days but give them an unrestricted omega clone to do it with.

If the idea of alpha clones is to allow people to play for free for as long as they want then we need to take a different path. Allow access to ALL of the T1 ships (and yes I mean the battle cruiser and battle ship classes as well) regardless of race, allow unlimited skill points and use other options to balance them. Some thought on this.
Reduce base SP training rate to 1/2 of the base rate for omega clones.
Reduce all attribute implant affects by 50%.
Do not allow them to use skill injectors.
No access to capital class combat ships, all other capital ships would be allowed.
No I do not care and I do not think it would be unfair if they took a clone to omega state, trained them to meet a specific need and then went back to alpha state, the ship restrictions alone will balance this.

And that gets us back to the OP and his / her idea to change the Gallente haulers.
My answer is still no the do not need to be changed and you have ways to work around any limitations there are in the same basic way that ALL alpha players can work around their problems.
No your problems are not any harder to work around than their's they are just your problems so the seem like they are harder.
Not being able to have more than one account online is part of the restrictions of the alpha state and you do not suffer any mopre or less than all the other alpha state players so your problems do not deserve special attentions.
Beside that you always have the option to take a single character into the omega state and solve all of your problems.

Here are some hard earned tips for you.
You do not want to haul more than what you can fit into the ships you can currently fly especially since you cannot fly the BR or DST class ships. The larger the losses the harder it is and the longer it takes to recover from them and the more you haul in one run the more likely you are to be ganked in high sec, the additional mass makes evasion harder in low, nul or worm holes. Many smaller loads in a faster to align and faster to warp ship are a safer option.

Don't want to spend the ISK to contract stuff to be hauled to your Gallente character, use secure containers anchored in space.
Do not know if this is possible, but if it is set up a corp and pass stuff between your characters using a corp hanger.
If your characters are in a corp ask for access rights to a corp hanger specifically for this purpose, I have multiple alpha clones in my corp and we have a hanger specifically for them to use to help with this problem.