EVE General Discussion

Oddly, mining and high sec ganking are about the most math-driven and most formulaic things you can do in EVE. For miners, ore intake per second, plus secondary hauling to market considerations. HAL 9000 could come up with a optimal way to do it.
(And has. Damn 24-hour horrible miner bots. Luckily players reported them, and a CCP special project bug-sprayed them. James 315 and his alt shill dude showed up late in the game. Bob bless him, he must have smelt a smell, blood in the water, something like that.

It was the highest pile of horseshite one could ever not visualize. It was highly controversial in forums. It was like a troll thing, but when enough people called logical B.S. on that, an earnest but naive alt stepped in to defend, redirect, and derail. From those humble roots-- a movement hatched. Somewhat like how coconut and palm oil, backed by compressed gas, comes out of a metal canister, through a cross-shaped cut in a plastic nozzle. It was expertly played, so a tip of the hat to Jim. At present, pretty limitless amounts of Whipped Cream to spray onto pancakes).

From the gankers' side, pretty much the same thing. Math and formulas(ae). Constants are Fac Po intervention time for this system, vs. ganking a high sec new guys. Variables include EHP of the target, how much DPS you got in your fleet, and facpo response time. Another job for HAL 9000. (But of course, the target might move around. And, the best of CODE. give hints in Local before undocking).

Comparatively, though:
-Rat in your alliance's system in null: Pretty mathematically predictable. ::burp::
-Get into one of your null alliance's fleet's: Roll the dice, highly unpredictable
-PVP in low sec: Ride the Lightning. All We are is Dust in the Wind.
-Hi Sec mining and ganking: Heisenberg controlled environment. Applied chemistry formula.

Oh Boy you really should visit some regions in Null-Sec. But seriously, as writen by CCP Phantom

Consent to PvP

* You consent to PvP when you click "undock".
* You are not safe in 1.0 security space. CONCORD is there to punish, not to protect. Get used to the idea.
* In most cases, the only way to be 100% safe from aggression inside the game is to be docked in a station. Being cloaked in a secret safespot could work too.

So deal with it.

Learn to adapt or simply die. Its your choice.

Oh look, another one of these arguments. I wonder what it could possibly mean that people's views constantly need correcting, over and over.

My friend, this has been discussed to ad nauseum, and CCP's (the game designer's) stance is well known.

Eve is fine and on course.

You are the one who is wrong. But go ahead and invent threats about how the sky is about to fall. Throw hissy fits on the forums. Repeat over and over "OR ELSE" in a scary voice.

Most people here are amused, rather than disturbed, by your stark ignorance.

HTFU, learn to play, or don't and get stomped.

As a paying customer I want to shoot people in Highsec, period... It has to be repeated over and over until CCP agre... Oh wait, they already agree.

Maybe play some other game or don't undock if you are too bad for even Highsec.

No it's not. Discussion is an exchange of ideas and opinions, backed up by relevant data a participant has, or what he heard, or even what he feels about the subject.

Repeating the same thing over and over in the hope that others will change their minds if they hear it over and over is called... a tantrum.

We didn't hear one that can be compared to yours for a while now, so please don't stop. You may even convince us!

If you want to actually test something like new feature about to be implemented, everyone continually killing you is not productive. The test server is not supposed to be for fun at no in-game cost but for testing. You are not competition when killing me on the test server but just wasting time. If you want a PvP fix, the live game is the place to do it.

You mean the loud high-pitched whine coming from a very small minority of the player base?

Pretty sure that's the sound of hull plating shearing on under-tanked industrials and freighters.

Except of banning highsec PvP and ganking.CCP should make the ganker have a longer timer for criminal status...right now the ganker can get numerous kills/day from sitting on a gate. They should make the ganker pick more valuable targets by making other ship not valuable. By that I mean only been able to kill 3 ships/day, if they gank a tayra. They missed the opportunity of killing a plex tanked atron minutes behind it. Can't pick on the newbies since they wouldn't be high value target. Not worth the gankers time to attack a procurer or retriever when they only can attack every so often(hours). Then the risk(missing on another target way more important/waiting hours until concord forgets about you) vs reward(getting that 20 bill freighter/getting the 1 best freighter out of the 20 that passed).

What do you guys think?(using my phone sort of hard to type)
Worth starting another thread?(CCP needs to work on high sec for the newbros to play and stay active)

Not a very good example to use that when that Dev quote is based on Akita T's Golden rules for new players which was created 10 years ago.

That's the whole problem with this game, CCP is way behind the times and always fails to make the correct changes to make the game more enticing for general gamers. Sure CCP may attempt it but only when it's too late and then the change itself is done too little to make a noticeable difference in player retention, thus enforcing the constant dwindling log in numbers.

CCP needs to get out of that rut, stop living in the past, embrace the future and change with the times..



DMC