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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#101 - 2017-04-25 22:17:02 UTC
Bataav was actually accredited as part of the ARC delegation, interestingly. I can only assume he told Tarek Raimo that to get Tarek to stop following him around. It was sort of uncanny how Raimo was hovering around and somehow always conveniently ten to fifteen meters from Bataav.

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Arrendis
TK Corp
#102 - 2017-04-25 22:17:41 UTC
Nai Arto wrote:
I don't really know much about this "Intaki Liberation Front" group. Could someone fill me in?


Some of their members do appear to have longstanding personal issues with some of the principles.

Also, I've heard they're actually a splinter group of the Liberation Front of Intaki, which itself split off from the People's Front of Intaki. The PFI, of course, was originally formed by dissidents who found the Intaki People's Front too stifling.

Bunch of bloody splitters, the lot of them. Or so I've heard.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#103 - 2017-04-25 22:18:21 UTC
Oh! And I missed a statement by the honored mahesha himself.

Apologies, Bataav!

Well, it may be that Tarek Raimo was misrepresenting things.

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Nai Arto
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#104 - 2017-04-25 22:25:20 UTC
Thank you for clarifying, sir.

Of course, this begs the question of what motivated the campaign, and who would have had the resources to carry out such activities so very discreetly.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#105 - 2017-04-25 22:34:15 UTC
Nai Arto wrote:
Thank you for clarifying, sir.

Of course, this begs the question of what motivated the campaign, and who would have had the resources to carry out such activities so very discreetly.


There is, of course, always the conspiracy-theory angle: Raimo appears to be the only person who was concerned with raising awareness of the flyers. Those he appears to have strongly implied (at least) were clearly not directly involved. This didn't stop him from writing up an article—including hyperbolic headline—to raise awareness of the flyers and his preferred narrative of their source beyond the confines of the Inquest center and attendees. Raimo is, by his own statements, some sort of COINTEL professional.

Who's to say he isn't behind the flyers? After all, it would hardly be the first time someone's run a false-flag operation to impugn the reputation of others in the middle of multinational gathering. They're rather perfect locations for it: the attendees already don't trust one another.
Nai Arto
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#106 - 2017-04-25 22:36:24 UTC
Interesting theory! You'd think if that were they case they would have been more elegant with the phrasing of the headline... but who knows?
Arrendis
TK Corp
#107 - 2017-04-25 22:52:06 UTC
Nai Arto wrote:
Interesting theory! You'd think if that were they case they would have been more elegant with the phrasing of the headline... but who knows?


Oh, sure, but considering that theory took me less time to think of than to write, is completely baseless, and even I don't believe it, the fact that it's got more supporting evidence than Raimo's theory, well....
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#108 - 2017-04-26 00:14:14 UTC
Nai Arto wrote:
Mokoto Priano: 2,905 lifetime posts on IGS
Julianus Soter: 329 lifetime posts

Thread so far:
Soter: posts a thing
Mokoto: "Soter just craves attention"
Syagrius: Why are you like this?
Aria: Mokoto is my friend. Mokoto is pure. Mokoto is life.

hmmmmm
Well, now he put a fine point on it didn’t he. So much said with so few words. It’s almost as if I don’t really need to read further to ‘know’ what the usual suspects are going to say.

James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#109 - 2017-04-26 00:15:05 UTC
Oh dear. Well, I did, they did. Moving along.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#110 - 2017-04-26 00:19:50 UTC
I'm sorry, but there were words, and you clearly said you don't read when there are words.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#111 - 2017-04-26 00:28:09 UTC
Oh, come now, Arrendis. Syagrius took almost a minute to have pretended to have read it. Give the man points for effort, eh?

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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#112 - 2017-04-26 00:28:46 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:
Oh dear. Well, I did, they did. Moving along.


Your meaning here isn't quite clear. I'm hoping you meant something ... better.

Maybe a few more words?
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#113 - 2017-04-26 00:29:58 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Oh, come now, Arrendis. Syagrius took almost a minute to have pretended to have read it. Give the man points for effort, eh?


He did?

... he DID.

Gods ... just when I start to think maybe I've been too hard on you, Mr. Syagrius. It must be nice, being able to misunderstand fully without troubling to read what's being said.
Nai Arto
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#114 - 2017-04-26 00:49:11 UTC
Maybe you really are just that predictable.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#115 - 2017-04-26 01:24:08 UTC
Nai Arto wrote:
Maybe you really are just that predictable.


Well, you know, when he tells us 'I don't actually read the stuff I reply to', and then appears to have not actually taken the time to read what he's replying to...

It's just not that hard a leap to make.
Nai Arto
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#116 - 2017-04-26 01:49:07 UTC
What entertains me is that his initial misreading was "Angel," which apparently Ms. Jenneth does in fact believe Mokoto Priano to be. According to the ancient "pure of heart" holy Amarr meaning, of course... not the modern pirate connotation, I shouldn't think.

Perhaps his instincts for avoiding overwrought prose served him well after all?
Jev North
Doomheim
#117 - 2017-04-26 01:50:50 UTC
So, a sneaky, resourceful and long-armed, blatantly amoral party with some kind of axe to grind with Soter, according to the Mahesha. Hmmm.

Even though our love is cruel; even though our stars are crossed.

Arrendis
TK Corp
#118 - 2017-04-26 02:02:00 UTC
Nai Arto wrote:
What entertains me is that his initial misreading was "Angel," which apparently Ms. Jenneth does in fact believe Mokoto Priano to be. According to the ancient "pure of heart" holy Amarr meaning, of course... not the modern pirate connotation, I shouldn't think.

Perhaps his instincts for avoiding overwrought prose served him well after all?


Well, except that the only one who's made that claim... is you.

Aria described Makoto as someone who seeks truth, someone she trusts and looks up to. That doesn't mean she thinks Makoto is 'pure of heart'.

So, perhaps you should avoid emulating James by arguing against things nobody but you said in the first place?
Nai Arto
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#119 - 2017-04-26 02:11:54 UTC
Perhaps you're right and I've misunderstood a crucial distinction. Could you explain the important difference you perceive between a person Aria has described as you say, and a person she may think is "pure of heart?"

Or does a trustworthy seeker of truth to be admired not fit within numerous Amarrian conceptions of Angelic beings that I was alluding to? It isn't like they teach these things at the Royal Amarr Institute, after all, so how would I know?

Or, perhaps you should avoid making distinctions without a purpose?
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#120 - 2017-04-26 02:35:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Nai Arto wrote:
What entertains me is that his initial misreading was "Angel," which apparently Ms. Jenneth does in fact believe Mokoto Priano to be. According to the ancient "pure of heart" holy Amarr meaning, of course... not the modern pirate connotation, I shouldn't think.


Nope.

Ms. Priano is human. Limited. Flawed. Like anyone. No one has to be a sefrim or other celestial being for me to look up to them. I look up to Pieter Tuulinen and Desiderya, too, and they're actually pretty scary people.

I don't ... actually think so much of myself. I tend to admire people who have qualities I value, but lack in some way. I'm not much of a leader, but I believe in structure and planning, so I tend to admire capable leaders who plan, organize, and use their resources effectively. I prize knowledge, but I'm not much of a disciplined scholar, so I admire scholars who have more focus than I do.

Most particularly, I don't trust myself very far. Aside from being, experientially, about two years old, I'm not a very good person. I'm maybe a little soft-hearted, but that's not really the same thing. I admire decency and good judgment. Those things impress me most of all.

For me, Des and Pieter kind of embody the first quality. Ms. Priano kind of embodies the second (and a good dose of the first). But it's the person who embodies the third to me to whom I've sworn my service.

I'll let you figure out who that might be for yourself. It's not hard, if you don't hate reading. ... or, maybe, since I'm so predictable, you can guess?

They're none of them celestials. They're just people, who are better at a range of stuff than I am. I admire them for that.

That's all.