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Why I cannot go to low-sec, null-sec, or w-space.

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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#21 - 2011-12-29 17:55:14 UTC
Jack Dant wrote:
Log off, warp to POS, dock in station. All these take a maximum of 30 seconds to inititate.

If your wife can't wait those 30 seconds you are playing at the wrong time. Or you have bigger problems.


To add to this, you may be left in hostile territory, but you are still able to 'hide' fairly easily in most areas of the game with little effort or preperation. So find a corp that does not mind losing pilots from fleet ops due to real life situations and have fun. There is bound to be someone that can help you out if you get burried neck deep in red boxes Bear I rememeber flying through 0.0 in a cov ops to a system in hostile territory to escort a felow corp member out that had to log off the night before due to wife aggro.


Slade
Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#22 - 2011-12-29 17:56:47 UTC
Low/0.0 is for pvp and ur ships are disposable. If you must pve cloaky/null tengu doing plex's is easy or just take a scout alt.
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#23 - 2011-12-29 17:57:08 UTC
Alternately, stay in empire, but don't dare complain that you're not making enough ISK. You chose safety.
Droxlyn
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#24 - 2011-12-29 17:57:23 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:


You dare to have a life? Lol


Yeah, I know!. What the hell was I thinking?
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#25 - 2011-12-29 18:00:44 UTC
Droxlyn wrote:
This game is awesome for hardcore. The problem is hardcore gamers are a small fraction of people who play games.

For casual players, anything outside of high-sec is a disaster waiting to happen. Simply boiled down, I don't want to lose a ship/pod because I had to go change a diaper. There is no pause button, which is understandable. Another way to look at it is, there is no amount of ISK that can replace the safety of high-sec. There is no amount of reward that can overcome the inability to walk away from the game the moment the wife shouts "Come here!" and you must just walk away.

if you want to find me in nullsec or lowsec, there needs to be so much of it that a roaming gang has a 1% to 5% chance of finding me on any given day. I need to be comfortable enough that I can walk away from my computer for 15 minutes and reasonably expect my ship and stuff to still be there.

These are the forces you are up against when you try to draw a causal player out into the insecure world.

Reward != Safety, and for causal players, Safety is king.

Edit: I don't want anything changed except people's expectations that everybody wants to live where ISK is bountiful.

If you MUST be interupted so much....better to stay off.

I'm a High Sec Miner/Carebear...with TEETH....and this is just unbelievable QQ

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
SpaceSquirrels
#26 - 2011-12-29 18:00:54 UTC  |  Edited by: SpaceSquirrels
Make warp point add a regular cloak to an empty high slot. == Magic because pirate tears can't find you and your portrait will be looming in local...taunting them.

I Understand there are certain emergencies but those could popup in any MMO in the middle of a fight. If not you know as well as I do that the group like afk cloaking finds a safe spot where things wont spawn/aggro. If the wife calls grow some balls and tell her you'll be there in 2 minutes... which is how long it takes to warp and cloak.

If the baby needs a diaper change he/she can wait 2 minutes to warp off and cloak... See where i'm going with this? as far as pvp goes... maybe FW lends it's self to more casual than 0.0.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but perhaps that means Eve can't be your game because it doesnt cater that well to casual players. It's not bad it's just not for you.

All that being said CCP 0.0 dev blog spoke of making 0.0 more accessible to smaller folks, and a "hideout" type ship that acts as a mobile cloaky POS would be nice.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#27 - 2011-12-29 18:01:16 UTC
Droxlyn wrote:
This game is awesome for hardcore. The problem is hardcore gamers are a small fraction of people who play games.

For casual players, anything outside of high-sec is a disaster waiting to happen. Simply boiled down, I don't want to lose a ship/pod because I had to go change a diaper. There is no pause button, which is understandable. Another way to look at it is, there is no amount of ISK that can replace the safety of high-sec. There is no amount of reward that can overcome the inability to walk away from the game the moment the wife shouts "Come here!" and you must just walk away.

if you want to find me in nullsec or lowsec, there needs to be so much of it that a roaming gang has a 1% to 5% chance of finding me on any given day. I need to be comfortable enough that I can walk away from my computer for 15 minutes and reasonably expect my ship and stuff to still be there.

These are the forces you are up against when you try to draw a causal player out into the insecure world.

Reward != Safety, and for causal players, Safety is king.

Edit: I don't want anything changed except people's expectations that everybody wants to live where ISK is bountiful.


I know exactly where you're coming from. Ages ago in Everquest one of the reasons I played a Shadowknight was because they had the feign death spell that, in effect, gave you a pause button in a live MMO. I play casually for the most part too.

But there's no reason to stay in highsec just because you might have to go afk at anytime...

1) You're not safe just because you're in highsec anyway - gankers gonna gank
2) They make docks in lowsec
3) They make cloaks
4) You can make safe spots and logoff in warp to them
5) The rewards really are worth it
6) You'll never experience more than 25% of the game if you stay in highsec

But too each their own. Somebody has to buy those pimp A-type faction mods for their uber level 4 mission ships that I keep finding in lowsec.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Droxlyn
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#28 - 2011-12-29 18:04:22 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
Alternately, stay in empire, but don't dare complain that you're not making enough ISK. You chose safety.

Not alternatively. I have chosen to stay in empire. I am not complaining about the ISK. I'm explaining why it is the case for me so that those who don't understand why people stay there can have a chance to know.
Thomas Abernathy
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#29 - 2011-12-29 18:06:21 UTC
Xolve wrote:
Droxlyn wrote:
This game is awesome for hardcore. The problem is hardcore gamers are a small fraction of people who play games.

For casual players, anything outside of high-sec is a disaster waiting to happen. Simply boiled down, I don't want to loose a ship/pod because I had to go change a diaper. There is no pause button, which is understandable. Another way to look at it is, there is no amount of ISK that can replace the safety of high-sec. There is no amount of reward that can overcome the inability to walk away from the game the moment the wife shouts "Come here!" and you must just walk away.

if you want to find me in nullsec or lowsec, there needs to be so much of it that a roaming gang has a 1% to 5% chance of finding me on any given day. I need to be comfortable enough that I can walk away from my computer for 15 minutes and reasonably expect my ship and stuff to still be there.

These are the forces you are up against when you try to draw a causal player out into the insecure world.



Fly Rifters.

People in null seldom have implants in- so if you die/get podded, so what.



Only noobs fly without inplants, anywhere...if your that concerned about losing them, apparently your not making much isk....Lol

"Fighting CCD since 2139"
Borun Tal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2011-12-29 18:16:52 UTC
If you're annoyed at having to leave a GAME to change a diaper, you have much bigger issues.
Cloora
APEX Unlimited
APEX Conglomerate
#31 - 2011-12-29 18:22:17 UTC
I'm sorry OP but you are very incorrect. I am a father of 3 very young children and I live in low sec and PvP.

Recons are awesome you can cloak and go afk.
There are stations in low sec you know that right? It's called docking.
Safespot and log with no aggression if you have no cloak.

In high sec you can have issues too. Ever been scrammed in a lvl 4 mission with full aggro?

You are just making excuses.

http://www.altaholics.blogspot.com
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2011-12-29 18:35:54 UTC
Droxlyn wrote:
This game is awesome for hardcore. The problem is hardcore gamers are a small fraction of people who play games.

For casual players, anything outside of high-sec is a disaster waiting to happen. Simply boiled down, I don't want to lose a ship/pod because I had to go change a diaper. There is no pause button, which is understandable. Another way to look at it is, there is no amount of ISK that can replace the safety of high-sec. There is no amount of reward that can overcome the inability to walk away from the game the moment the wife shouts "Come here!" and you must just walk away.

if you want to find me in nullsec or lowsec, there needs to be so much of it that a roaming gang has a 1% to 5% chance of finding me on any given day. I need to be comfortable enough that I can walk away from my computer for 15 minutes and reasonably expect my ship and stuff to still be there.

These are the forces you are up against when you try to draw a causal player out into the insecure world.

Reward != Safety, and for causal players, Safety is king.

Edit: I don't want anything changed except people's expectations that everybody wants to live where ISK is bountiful.

You're wrong in just about every way but if you don't want to leave high sec then don't leave high sec. No need to attention whore on the forum about it.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#33 - 2011-12-29 18:42:16 UTC
Honestly, the OP needs to avoid MMOs if he's concerned that he might need to be able to drop what he's doing at a moment's notice. Any multiplayer game is going to require your attention. You can't just walk away from a game of StarCraft or Team Fortress 2 without consequences. Those consequences are just more serious in Eve, especially as they can affect those around you. Even in WoW (which I've never played), walking off in the middle of a raid seems like a Very Bad Thing.

If your wife can wait 30 seconds while you warp to 100 km off a random celestial and log out, your ship is most likely going to be there when you log back in. But in general my suggestion would be to just avoid MMOs because as soon as you do anything involving other people, you're just going to lose friends when real life gets in the way.

There are SP space games that are quite fun. I'd suggest them. Or play on SiSi where ships are cheap and nothing matters anyway :)

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#34 - 2011-12-29 18:43:44 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Valei Khurelem wrote:
Oh look, someone who can't accept reality.

Let's point and laugh.

No need to be mean to the OP.


In more than one online dictionary, you will find the word 'Tippia' in the definitions for both 'obtuse' and 'immature'.

Mr Epeen Cool
MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
#35 - 2011-12-29 18:45:24 UTC  |  Edited by: MeestaPenni
Trantor Terminus wrote:
Droxlyn wrote:
This game is awesome for hardcore. The problem is hardcore gamers are a small fraction of people who play games.

For casual players, anything outside of high-sec is a disaster waiting to happen. Simply boiled down, I don't want to loose a ship/pod because I had to go change a diaper. There is no pause button, which is understandable. Another way to look at it is, there is no amount of ISK that can replace the safety of high-sec. There is no amount of reward that can overcome the inability to walk away from the game the moment the wife shouts "Come here!" and you must just walk away.

if you want to find me in nullsec or lowsec, there needs to be so much of it that a roaming gang has a 1% to 5% chance of finding me on any given day. I need to be comfortable enough that I can walk away from my computer for 15 minutes and reasonably expect my ship and stuff to still be there.

These are the forces you are up against when you try to draw a causal player out into the insecure world.

Reward != Safety, and for causal players, Safety is king.


hoh ?


I have no idea what my contribution is supposed to mean.

I am not Prencleeve Grothsmore.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2011-12-29 18:48:18 UTC
Droxlyn wrote:
This game is awesome for hardcore. The problem is hardcore gamers are a small fraction of people who play games.

For casual players, anything outside of high-sec is a disaster waiting to happen. Simply boiled down, I don't want to lose a ship/pod because I had to go change a diaper. There is no pause button, which is understandable. Another way to look at it is, there is no amount of ISK that can replace the safety of high-sec. There is no amount of reward that can overcome the inability to walk away from the game the moment the wife shouts "Come here!" and you must just walk away.

if you want to find me in nullsec or lowsec, there needs to be so much of it that a roaming gang has a 1% to 5% chance of finding me on any given day. I need to be comfortable enough that I can walk away from my computer for 15 minutes and reasonably expect my ship and stuff to still be there.

These are the forces you are up against when you try to draw a causal player out into the insecure world.

Reward != Safety, and for causal players, Safety is king.

Edit: I don't want anything changed except people's expectations that everybody wants to live where ISK is bountiful.


Its called...get in an alliance and log out in stations...

Look! I'm fixing problems again!

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821
Treks Shadow
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2011-12-29 18:48:19 UTC
Anarson wrote:
To things that make you live so much more in Low Sec, Null Sec, and WH space is a cloak. When you have to go afk becuase of RL issues, warp to a safe spot and cloak up.

THIS
Eliana Bandokar
Hideaway Hunters
The Hideaway.
#38 - 2011-12-29 18:53:05 UTC
To a certain extent I'd agree that anything outside of highsec can be more difficult for casual players. We often don't get enough playtime all in a row to take part in fleet stuff and a lot of us can't say for sure when they'll next be online, which prevents us from getting into certain awesome activities. This is all just fact, it's the same whatever your game and it's something you deal with as your priorities in life change.

On the other hand, hobbies and relationships are both important, and neither one should prevent someone from having the other. If your relationship completely negates the possibility of being able to say "this 2 hour block of time once a week is mine, and will only be disrupted in an emergency" then there are bigger issues at play here, just the same as someone who neglects his wife to play a game 24/7 would also have issues.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#39 - 2011-12-29 18:53:47 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
In more than one online dictionary, you will find the word 'Mr Epeen' in the definitions for both 'obtuse' and 'does not comprehend reversals'.
Fortunately, you can fix those problems quite easily.
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#40 - 2011-12-29 18:57:44 UTC
Come on OP, you can do it... venture into Low Security space. If you need, I'll be waiting to hold your hand. Lol