EVE General Discussion

If they kill implants they must give us non high SP chars a way to train faster. If that way is a micro transaction thing god help CCP for the wrath they will incur.

Tracking Titans being able to kill everything was dumb and everyone's glad they nerfed it. CCP wants fleets to be well balanced across ship types and that's why supers are limited in what they can kill.

Wars haven't been choked by jump fatigue or warp speeds, fleet doctrines have. Wars have been choked by all the pvpers saying no to sov & structure grind campaigns. The Goons have no reason to move from Delve and the Russians have no reason to move from Drone Lands. Every entity is entrenched and aside from someone starting a raze campaign nothing big is going to go down in Nullsec.

Yes I agree. After I almost died of boredom from mining and PvE (after doing it for 4 months) I started to looking for a PvP. However I soon found out there is no place to do it for a new player (into pvp).

Sure I was fighting with corp in fleet before, but thats totally different experience than solo PvP. I end up fighting with alt in one of the starting location spamming duel invites to undocking players. Everytime I lost I learned something and slowly shaped my fit. But then I received an email from CPP that Im griefing new players and I need to stop or be banned. I was trying to convo those who lost a ship to me and I send some iskies to those who lost more than mil, but its not allowed. So what are my options then? Is there any place where players can duel each other regularly? Everywhere else than in rookie systems, when you accept duel and start shooting that guy dock and brings proteus and oneshot your frigate/destroyer/cruiser (awesome mechanics btw). And trying to spam duels outside trade hubs is not going to bring anyone willing to fight because there is not enough traffic and many players travel on autopilot or semi-afk. Going into lowsec solo or joining the FW is not attractive for a new/unskilled player as well. Its just a place where 50mil SP vets flying speedanking Garmur harvests weakers. 0 risk from them, 100% inevitable lost of ship from me unless I run like coward so basically FW for new player is farming the LP in some unpopulated system silently which is not fun. I want PvP but I want to have a chance. I did not find such. The difference between full t2 max skills is extremely hard. Even a basic frigate with max skills and full t2 fit can kill my t1 guns t2 tank Caracal easily - so easily that I can say that I had no chance - and that is not fun, again.

I'm a HS player and the little spare time I have is mostly spent playing there. Every time I did PvP it actually took place in lowsec or wh space.

That said, I like the way HS mechanics work and the risk they bring to the players in HS.

Due to the various changes in mechanics, HS got safer since I started playing, by increasing the level of effort and dedication required for nonconsensual combat. HS PvPers have adapted to that and become very good in many aspects of gameplay. This "professionalism" mostly does not find a match in the way, their targets handle the game and results in a perceived disadvantage. It doesn't help either, to tell an autopiloting freighter pilot, that he is doing it wrong, because anything else is simply not the way he wants to play the game.

Now what would I do, if CCP removed non consensual combat fom HS? The HS I like would no longer exist and I'd have to permanently move either into lowsec or maybe NPC nullsec. This would force a type gameplay upon me, that as far as I know today, I wouldn't want. For sure, I wouldn't be able to spend the time required to adapt in the next 6 to 12 months. So I'd most likely let lapse my accounts until I have more spare time again.

Would I come back then? I don't know, to be honest.

Note that the study they did was actually very poor for isolating that factor, poor enough that attempting to use it for any real statistical purposes would get laughed at. Especially since the time period they were looking at is not actually the time period basic logic tells us is the most vulnerable to loss of player due to a gank.
And well.... Rise used VERY bad language there, since Griefing is distinct from Ganking and the former is against the EULA.

I'm still on board with ganking being in the game of course, as while their study was bad for that purpose, it is a core part of the EVE idea either way, so even if it was poor for player retention it's important to keep in EVE.
But ganking could be made a stronger interaction, while simultaneously feeling less oppressive by increasing the gank timer and giving industrials real fittings including a few weapons. This would create the feeling of a desperate fight instead of a blink and you missed it you had no chance once you were at the gate event. Insti ganks are bad and don't create that feeling of involvement and effort. (this is true even for combat ships which get insti blapped in any situation). And if you want to increase that social side, you need to do so in the antagonistic area as well as the ally area.

Pricing of ships has no bearing on PvP. A frig with t2 fittings is what, 5-10m? That is nothing. A lot of people don't PvP because going out for a solo/small gang roam generally ends in getting pooped on by a large group gate camping.

Sometimes studies can give you the exact answer you are looking for, even though the result of pure BS.
rl politicians do it all the time.

But yeah, until CCP does and releases something that is hard to spin, most players will just support the answers that jive with their own prejudices. Its human nature.

No bearing on PvP? Well I dont have 80 hours a week to play. 4 or 5 if im lucky...So yea, Pricing has a lot of bearing on weather or not I PvP. . .I would agree gate camping is a contributing factor.

That's why they made PLEX: so you can pay someone else to grind out everything.

What happens when nobody else wants to grind anything?