Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Cargo space is worthless because the high-value loot from exploration is also low-volume. By the time you've filled your standard cargo hold you're already putting hundreds of millions of ISK in a fragile ship, and it's time to unload that cargo somewhere safe. Nanos are useful, but primarily for improving your align time and escaping, something that WCS makes redundant.

And yes, fitting your ship for escape is also allowed. That should involve things like improving your align time to warp out before the threat can lock you, fitting speed buffs to out-run tackle, carrying ECM drones to attempt to jam your way out, etc. It should not involve fitting zero-penalty "I'm immune to PvP" modules.



There is no trying, there is simply escape. You fit your WCS, and anything but a specialized anti-WCS ship is going to fail to catch you. And that's the problem. That isn't successful defensive PvP, it's turning off your PvP flag and being a pure PvE player.



I fail to see the problem here. The primary defense of non-combat ships is not getting tackled in the first place. If you're caught it's because you already screwed up, and you don't have much right to complain. Perhaps the lesson here should be "don't fly non-combat ships". Don't fly unarmed frigates in FW sites, take an Astero/Stratios for exploration instead of an unarmed covops frigate, etc.

Now, there is an argument that WCS aren't a problem in the context of travel fits attempting to escape gate camps, but that's an easy solution. Just increase the penalties of WCS so that doing anything but travel is impossible. Things like setting your lock range to 0km would have no effect on travel-fit haulers.

You are too lazy and/or incompetent to fit 2 scrams or use a navy maulus and you want incompetence and laziness to be nerfed? Will you also ask CCP to nerf ECM when people turn to that to break your lock and escape you because you obviously can't fit ECCM on a standard PvP ship in the same way you can't fit 2 scrams or use a different ship.



About this, you consider <2 seconds align ceptor to be turning PvP flag off right? Or anything below 2 seconds since you probably spend most of your time in low sec.

To be honest it is already loaded in your favour. You can counter 3 stabs with two med slots. You not fitting enough points to counter the stabs is no different to you not fitting enough speed to keep up with them, enough firepower to break their tank or enough tank to survive their firepower. Everything in eve is give and take, they gimp their fit to load up on stabs, you can gimp your fit to catch them. Double scram rocket bomber catches every stabbed frigate i ever came across tbh, venture with their built in stabs apart. They aren't "immune to pvp", they are immune to people who don't fit right. And its not zero penalty, since they are completely at the mercy of people who, guess what, fit right.

Saying they will get away unless you are flying a specific anti wcs set up is kind of missing the point of eve. If you want to hunt stabbed frigates in fw plexes you should be flying a specific anti wcs setup, that is how eve works. You wanting to hunt them in a normal fit ship says more about you than them.

If I were in FW and presented w/ the farmer or pvp? Question - I would immediately consult my overpowered intel (local chat) and drop the name of the person in question into a kb and check the results. If he's a farmer it will light up red w/ stabbed this or that's or (if he's really good at risk aversion) nothing will show up. If he's a pvp guy lurking in the site the kb will tell you that also. Based on my over powered intel I can jump in the appropriate ship and have a go at it.

If he's somewhere in between then that is when you clench your butt, pick a ship, warp in and see what's what.


Honestly all you 'pvp guys' that are crying that they can't always be fit to win..... sheesh. Get a keres alt or I don't know.... a friend maybe and gang up on the guy. If you're that "I'm an elite solo pvp only guy, well accept Eve for what it is and understand those good solo fights are going to be few and far between.

I hate to say this, because I feel I'm insulting the pvp guys, but here it is - instead of focusing on hating stabs, get in your pvp ship and just go system to system ratting in belts. You'll get some isk, other pvp guys in the area will find you and you'll get pvp fights.

If you're a 'pvp guy' that only wants to wonk up on ratters - don't cry because of WCS cry because you're doing it wrong.

But but... I managed to land a single point on the enemy, I deserve the kill!!!!

What did I miss?

I'm for getting rid of WCS along with WC scramblers and jammers.