EVE General Discussion

If baltec1s proposal of reducing T3C costs from c. 450 mil (with subsystems) to 40-50 mil (with subsystems) goes through, all T3Cs/subsystems will he reduced to 1/10th of value, as will all stockpiled and future WH sourced gas and Sleeper salvage be reduced to 1/10th of its value.

It will be catastrophic to the T3C/subsystem market/producers, and WH material sourcers.

Not to mention the deluge of people desperately dumping those on the market which will drive supply so far beyond the demand for nerfed T3Cs that it may take years to even out, if ever.

baltec1 has specifically said, that after his proposed nerf, his alliance will no longer field ANY T3Cs.
Meaning there will be no more demand for T3Cs/subsystems from NS fleet warfare.

WH dwellers and T3C/subsystem manufacturers pay attention:

If baltec1s proposal goes through, your Sleeper salvage and gas will be worth <10% of what it is now.
You also will be unable to run C1+ content with the new nerfed T3Cs.

Get off the fence, realize the implications, and speak out.

baltec1 wouldnt express the proposal he did, if he wasnt reasonably certain its already in the works.
He is many things aside, but not an empty fool.

It may be a "art of the deal" style high initial demand inorder to allow space for compromise, but the extent of the nerf he proposes is already so enormous that even a fraction of it will impact EVE significantly.

Instead of worrying about me, how about you instead concern yourself with the implications of T3C/subsystems costing <10% of now, and what that will do to WH gas/salvage sourcers as well as T3C/subsystem manufacturers and the market at large.

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As to the new ships, as you said, they are event based, and basically just Force Recons with a bit more raw dps.
The cyno capacity is completely wasted in HS.
These ships are a fringe gimmick. No fks given.

Welcome to the meta of forum warfare.

The battle lines are already being drawn here, with pre-emptive skirmishes, recon and shows of force.

baltec1 has made a demand that would constitute the single largest nerf to a ship class ever in EVE, many times over, and with far reaching implications.

He wouldnt do that, unless he has reasonable expectations of it succeeding and matching CCPs opinion.
He is not a fool.

Representation of the playerbase here on these forums is skewed, but there are some powers that be that specifically employ players for purposes of activity here in their interests.

Call them lobbyists is you wish. Or propagandists. Both exist.

WH players need to realize, that baltec1s proposal, will reduce their salvage/gas income to <10%, as a result of the cost nerf on T3C/subsystems, plummet in demand of T3C/subsystems as they are nerfed to between T1-Navy Cruisers, and the subsequent massive dump of T3C/subsystems and WH materials in the aftermath that will flood the market.

baltec1 has said that after his proposed nerf, his alliance will not field ANY T3Cs, meaning you will no longer have any market there either for T3C/subsystems and materials.

Think about that.

Its pointless to come at me for pointing these things out.

Instead, address your posts to baltec1 as to how his suggestion will wreck the WH economy, whilst NS interests suffer nothing as a result.

Oh.
A shill.
Saw that coming :)

You have issues with large alliances, which shows in your posts heavily. You are also insinuating that CCP only does things for the big alliances. So here you are, the Don Quixote of the Eve forums, fighting against the boogeyman of big alliances.

Only thing, you are just seeing things.

CCP are smart enough to have kept this wonderful game running for 14 years and have made changes where needed. With how I've seen CCP work during the capital-rebalance and the planning of upwell-structures, I'm confident, we will be able to keep tech 3 -cruisers as a valid choice among other ships.

They never should of been dedicated mainline doctrine. Large alliance no longer running them would jsut mean they get the market hey should insetad of an over inflated one like they do right now. They never should of been shitting over every other T2 cruisers in dedicated roles except one.

Remember when they reimbursed the mining barge skills when they remade the Orca for tiericide? You know, a ship that at that point had never been a mining ship at all but required mining ship line to be trained? All your skill you want reimbursement for were at least directly linked to your ship while others got nothing back for skill they might never have used even once if the character was trained only for the Orca. Why were they not refunded? Because the skills still had legitimate use possible.

I'm taking that to mean "my argument has been proven to be nonsense so I'm going to stop now".



You keep treating what baltec1 is saying as gospel when we have no indication that's going to be the case. In fact we have several indications that he's missed the mark in several areas, but I honestly don't think you care about that at this point. You're too busy being alarmist and playing Chicken Little...

Seriously, you should at least go watch the Game Design Panel and the Ship and Module Balance Presentation so you can at least be an *informed* troll...

Nobody's worrying about you Salvos

And nobody aside from CCP know what exactly will happen, not Baltec1 or anyone. This whole 50mil thing i'm pretty sure is only Baltec1's prediction and as such is not worth getting your knickers in a twist about

The market will stabilize, like it always does. Your whinings will fade into the ether until the next big change, where you will undoubtedly have another strongly felt but somehow difficult to back up opinion to thrust at anyone who will listen

I'm basing my working out on what CCP have told us so far with the exception of the null/cov ops combo which I see as too powerful and easy mode and SP loss which is frankly pointless. That said even that is up for discussion. There are some rather simple rules that are going to have to be followed.

First, T3C must be worse than the t2 specialists.

Second, T3C rigs must either be removable without destroying the rigs or just removed entirely.

Third, power grid and to a lesser extent CPU need to be brought down to cruiser levels.

There is a bunch of other tweeks needed but those three things are needed to balance them. The reason I went with what I did is because CCP have stated they want T3C to land somewhere between T1 and navy cruisers. They have not provided any changes to this plan so that's what I had to go with. The reason for the cost is simply to reflect the new position of the ships and what a fair price would be. Use age of these ships would probably go up as they are far more affordable so that should offset the reduction in build cost so WH don't lose out but I would expand the use of WH goods into, say, refinery construction and possibly capital construction. You can even put small amounts into various mod construction given they are doing another mod teiricide this summer. The options are there.

No matter what happens these ships are in for a massive nerf.