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EVE Online Retribution 2.0
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Dimitrios Bekas
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#1 - 2017-04-11 19:36:29 UTC
This is a MASSIVE Wall of Text. No need to read it, if you are not already in the whole Thing and also watched the Video. Thanks.


After watching the new WingSpanTT Video, about ways to completey change the Bountysystem, and make it work towards the new Agenda of CCP....giving the player the feeling of a purpose, exiting, meaningful and of course valuable...well i couldn stop writing.

Whoever read through all of this...PROPS TO YOU, SIR o7

I hope CCP picks the Ideas up and make it somehow "delivered" to us,...would totally dive deep into that. o7
I need to split the whole Text into more than only one Entry...only 6000 Characters per Posting Available.

First you need this Informations...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rftmAQdq_bg

and then...my 2 cents below.

Would you like to have this new Bountyhunting System in Eve ?
Is it EVE Feelings Compatible ?
How Abusable can it become ?

Here we go....
Dimitrios Bekas
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#2 - 2017-04-11 19:37:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Dimitrios Bekas
How about the Bonus "YOU NEED TO COLLECT THE CORPSE too" and bring it back to a concord station. With an expiring timer of idk, one hour ? Or the Bountypayout will not be paid out.
What then happens would be something like this...

There is a LIVE Update List in your "Bountyhunting" Office Tab, that shows the killmail, but only to all other active bountyhunters that have other contracts open too, hunting maybe other Persons right now, somewhere. It also shows the approx. Bountypayout, how much time is left to bring back the corpse, and of course the Station, where the Corpse needs to be handed out.

There should be only 4 or 5 Concord Stations in whole new Eden, that give out the bounty contracts, like Tradehubs.

It would generate something like a witchhunt, Bountyhunters hunting Bountyhunters to steal the juicy corpse and get the big Paycheck and generate Tears...
Another Adrenaline pumping Experience for the Bountyhunter AFTER he assasinated his Target.You were lucky, you got a 21B Juicy Target, you were Lucky with the BountyPayout too, and grabbed the Jackpot....the highest single 15B BOUNTYPAYOUT to be given to you, all you need, is to bring this little, icecold 1m³ (still warm) pile of half-frozen Biomass back to the concord station you took the contract from.

The joy is big, but after some seconds of yelling and laughter....you start sweating,...paranoi kicks in, and the words "**** ****" start to whisper in your mind...

BECAUSE NOW EVERY BOUNTYHUNTER OUT THERE RECEIVED THAT "GOLDEN ENTRY", with a distinguis BING Sound (yes, different Bountypayouts according to value would have colors in that Bountyoffice tab, just remember Pink or golden Drops in Games like Diablo 3 or Borderlands) directly on their NeoCom->BountyOffice.
Now they know, where you are exactly right now. Maybe someone is already in the next System...maybe the new Local Guy called "iLoveHamsterz2008" is here for you...

It would be an amazing Experience, it would deliver Purpose and ADRENALINE KICKING Engangements...playing Hide and Seek and of course...TEAMPLAY.
The Bountyhunter can call his friends to PROTECT him, the other Bountyhunters call all their friends to plan, who is covering which area from where he can fly back or come in.There are not many options...and the clock is ticking.

I mean, come on...it was literally promised in the Trailer at the End to be able to do this :D Just watch the RETRIBUTION TRAILER
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hX0p0irEOls&t=38s

It would also break the following "abuseble behaviour"...
Bountyhunter X gets a 2B isk juicy Target with lets say 8 Bounties on that Target (1x 1B the other 7 Bounties split on the other 1Bil)
But he graps the 1B Bounty payout (of course, if it is RANDOMLY WHICH of the 8 you can get, and you don´t know in forward, its not abusable in this case) But let´s say it is.
Bountyhunter X."convoes Target" telling him "hey, i can kill you and we split the pot"
Juicy Target "yes, but how can i trust you that you dont just run away not paying me?

I don´t explain it in Detail now, but just this..."Couriercontracts 1xtritanium Delivery 1B Collateral / Reward to Jita 4-4"...smart people can figure out where this can lead and how easy the whole new concept of Bountyhunting can be drained down to the same spot we are right now.

Anyway, the WITCHHUNTING PART after collecting the Corpse and the open Info on the Bountyhunters HEAD, the Adrenaline because the Time is ticking...all together, you can make something awesome out of it. Of course you can´t switch out of your ship after grabbing the Corpse, you have a 1HOUR Timer (like Jump Fatigue - maybe called CapsuleLock) its that Pink Circle on the Top Left :) You also can´t have your ALT be in the system with a travelceptor, jumping out of the ships and getting into your Alts Travelceptor, and you grab the Corpse with it and be kinda 95% Save all the way back to the Concord Station.

No, after you killed the Guy, the Timer Starts..you are forced to stay in that ship until the hour passed by, or you delivered the dead body.

Let´s be real, Bountyhunting is more a SOLO Gameplay and not everyone can BATPHONE 4 or 10 Guys and it would for sure not take one week until new Retribution 2.0 Release, until Special "Groups" build up massive Playerbases around those Concord Bounty Hubs, camping them 24/7 with all crazy ships, from Instalockers, Smartbombing BS and cloaky Sabres....and so on and on. Just to kill every Bountyhunter with a corpse in his cargo.

Hey,...IMAGINE, you are one of the SMARTer Guys that bountyhunt and you have a Mobile Depot with you, hell you are even in a ******* T3Cruiser (the NEw Versions with Changeable Rigs)...and you lived in Wormholes for a year,...you try your luck through the WHs to get to the other Side of the Galaxy and come near your destination from a complete other route, while 90% of all active Bountyhunters went full speed towards your last known position (Killmail of the 15B Isk Payout)...the route is save, until you nearly can reach the destination.

Maybe there should be PINGS going out into your Entry of the Bountyoffice (the golden one with that Diiing Sound, remember?) where you are exactly or maybe only the Constellation, lets say, the first after 15mins, the next at 30 and the last 15mins BEFORE the ONE HOUR Timer finishes.

You can then play with this Information and use it to your advantage, move yourself into a different Constelation or stay in the same only one jumpgate away from the next like the Ping before and just wait the last ping out and then go DEEPS BALL and make your run...(Knowledge about different Routes, Usage of the NEW MAP Features, a whole new Lets make a GUIDE YT Video Generation is born...how to distract enemy Bountyhunters hunting you)

The Thing to consider here is, should you be able, ONLY in T3Cruisers, to swap the Subsystems, Rigs and Fittings completely ?
Dimitrios Bekas
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#3 - 2017-04-11 19:38:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Dimitrios Bekas
Should you be able to switch fittings with that one Hour timer at all or be forced to use the same exact ship that you used to kill the juicy 15B Target ? Of course its all only theory, and maybe nothing will change, nobody wlll put effort into hunting you...but we all know, harvesting Tears is the motivation a lot of players seek out in this game....and killing your T3C, losing SP, blinky T3Cs AND the 15B Payout..and the knowledge that right now, someone ELSE is picking the cherry up....ohh yeah....they will come for you.

It comes together with the Ideas i have to optimize WHO can attack you and how many at the same time.
Lets say you get an "Invulnerability" Timer for Gatejumps with every Kill you make, but comes for the cost of another Location PING to all the Guys hunting you right now...?
It would generate Situations like "Bountyhunter Y Spotted you in the System, he is in a Claw Ceptor, you are in a Stratios or T3C or whatever..

He is the only Bountyhunter right now on top of you that can attack you...he tells you "SHARE THE 15B PAYOUT OR I REPORT YOUR POSITION OR EVEN POINT YOU TO DEATH AND HOLD YOU HERE UNTIL THE TIMER RUNS OUT"

That SINGLEPlayer Bountyhunter Y, without a Batphone Fleet of Guys in the Background suddenly becomes one of your allies. But well, no he does not. You offered him 500Millionen to be shared via the integrated Bountyhunter Option "Share Payout"..he says no. You go up to one Billion, he stil says no. Keeping you pointed. You know even when you crush the Gate, you need to come back here and he will still sit here. And EVERYONE IS ON THE WAY TO YOU BOTH right now, because the Location Ping went out after he agressed you automatically to all the others that are looking out for you.

He writes, 3B,...you take it. Pull up the NeoCom, fill in 3B and his Name, and click send.

Now what exactly happens is the following thing. BOTH of you are shown in the same GOLDEN ENTRY in the Bountyoffice NeoCom as (BountyHunterTeam 1 or whatever). Your new ally already took the same Capsule LOCK Timer as soon as he agressed you with his point. He can´t change into another ship, until you either die, or deliver the Corpse and share the 15B automatically. The only Information everyone got popping up in the NeoCom Bountyoffice, is NOT the Name of your new ally. Not the Shiptype, Shipname or anyhting else. Also no info about if he pointed you, or is still shooting you with Heavy Neutron Blasters in any kind.

The only thing that everyone knows, was a Location Ping as soon as your Ceptor Ally pointed you, and the Number 2 on your Teamside together the Killmail of your Assasination Target. Right now everyone tries to figure out everything about your new ally. The forming of OTHER Teams will start now. Bountyhunters that worked together in the past, will now start chatting "hey do we go together for those two guys ?"

3B for a ceptor, yeah, but also the Reduction of some Bountyhunters that were flying solo and never ever team up with anyone, because they are NinjaSneakingMode...those guys now dissapeared, some of those solo only guys maybeeee will still try to get an eye on you and then decide, but others, will just stop putting more time into hunting you..because the great "MY ENEMY, IS YOUR ENEMY" - Party started right now.

Small 2on2 or 3on2 or even 5on2 Teams will start to build up...Names that you know from the past, that gained your trust...will fill up your FleetWindow. All Solo when hunting down their Assasination Targets, now bound together to kill one of their own...because ISK rules in New Eden BountyhunterLand, right ? And thats the purpose, thats the respect you get...when you as a solo person make it through to deliver the corpse back solo, in a small team or even become friends and build something bigger in the NEW GAMEPLAY WORLD of Bountyhunters.

anyway, i am Daydreaming right now, but you get the point...Back to Mr. Jonesman ( your new Ceptor Pilot ally )

3B Payout for a Ceptor Ally is a lot, right ? But that small little ceptor took the right ship, chose the right Route, put effort into finding you and he is playing SOLO. He now is able to scout ahead for you (though you already for sure had an ALT already scouting for you, but now you dont need to bother or you can scout towards other possible routes). But even more important, you are in the same boat now. The other option you had there was to WAIT......WAIT until someone else comes in. Maybe a Svipul, maybe a Cynabal, maybe another Gang of 3 more Ceptorz, that had the same idea...its your Decision...wait for the next opportunity, or react fast and get an ally because the CLOCK IS TICKING...maybe you already had 2 guys that you trust on the way to you.
You dont need more friends like Mr. Jonesman and the other 2 Guys only wanted the usual 1B Payout...you could have waited, but in our scenario...you don´t have friends, you are new to the Bountyhunter Game and 15B Payout Check is ten times mores than you ever had in Eve.

It has been 35 Minutes since when you killed your Target. The next Location Timer will come out in 5minutes. The Last one was 5minutes ago.
"This takes way too long, my cargo is 100times more worth than my ship is worth...i need,...i need to get the **** out of this System" *Quote: WingSpanTT "This is EVE Trailer - 2014" :D

The Ceptor Pilot Mr. Jonesman right now, is the only friend and hope you have in New Eden to deliver.

Mr. Jonesman will now try everything he can, to make you deliver the corpse so he gets his 3B Payout. Right ? He is your Friend, is he for sure ?
But how if this was all only a trap ? Mr. Jonesman maybe is together with 8 other Guys, and is right now, talkin to them to set up the perfect trap ?
How can i trust him...?
Well you can´t. Its all about Trust.

So, what Decision did Mr. Jonesman chose ? What Path brought him to this special and unique moment. This Purpose of having the Options open, like in no other Game out there ?
Dimitrios Bekas
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#4 - 2017-04-11 19:39:23 UTC
Well...we all know the Droprate of items in your Cargo, right ? 50/50 either you get it, or you get ****...
Mr. Jonesman has a lot of friends, and indeed he was in contact with 4 other guys that grouped up even before he decided to point you...but Mr. Jonesman is a griedy Bastard.
He better takes the chance for the 3B in his wallet, instead of a 50/50 Chance against Guys that he may or may not respect.
But he too, like you, made a decision, and he always had all options open...he now made a decision, with consequences.

But Mr. Jonesman,not like you cheeky Scrublord....has a lot of experience in the Bountyhunting Business.
He explains you in Detail what his plan is, to make this whole thing work.

After telling you that he truly is in contact with more Bountyhunters, he also tries to convince you to trust him. He gives you information about where the others are hunting and offers you to take another path, that will cost a lot of time, but also provide the Chance to come from a Gate that maybe nobody expects. It only works if the last Ping is shown in this constellation, and then "we have the highest Chance of getting the isk payout"....Mr, Jonesman sounds he knows what he is talking about. You decide to go for his plan.

meanwhile Mr.Jonesman spreads false Information about Systems he covered with his ceptor, to make this plan work, and at least get rid of his "buddies". For a splitsecond Mr. Jonesman had a thought like "could i possibly kill the cruiser and grab all the 15B with the 50/50Chance SOLO and become LEGENDARY™ in the Bountyhunter Community"...he wabbles his head...The Paranoia, the Adrenaline and the worst....the shakes in his fingers, the tremble...it starts. Now it catched 2 Pilots, and the closer the Clock is ticking, it starts to catch all other Bountyhunters....THE EVE FEELING.

Remember the Idea of getting an invulnerability Timer for Gatecamps that i wrote ?

Yes, you bought an expensive 3B Claw Ceptor Ally,...and another CHANCE ! The 100% Jackpot to get save one Jump nearer towards your Concord Station, towards the Payout, the glory and the iskies. The next Gatejump you take will give you CONCORD SUPPORT in that specific system you jump next only for the restduration of your Capsule Locktimer. Only for your ship, not for your ally ceptor pilot. He can be agressed freely by any other Bountyhunter. (have i mentioned that every bountyhunter who killed his assasination target is getting a 1hour flag of being attackable by any other Bountyhunter with active Contract? not whole new eden can jump on you, only the Bountyhunterz - there is no Information spread about your Location Pings or Allies to a normal LV4 Mission Toon or Nullsec Pilot)

Back to the Invul Timer. Well, Concord Support Time we call it from here on.

Why ? What does it do ? It generates that EVE FEELING First of all. How you will sure ask ?
Well, its about not having any information about YOUR Concord Support first of all.

What happens next is a disaster.

Mr. Jonesman was so into explaining you the plan and also distracted by the thought if he can maybe solo you at the end and become Legendary™ that he totally forgot, that you are unexperienced, well kinda...you never had any Bountyhunter Ally. You know WHAT the Concord Support does though.

So you already warped towards the next gate and jumped..."what can GO Wrong, i have CONCORD SUPPORT".
You jump, and after the Jump Animation ends, you look into the guns of 2 Tornadoes and one ceptor...SniperFit Nados. All part of the Bountyhunter Community.
You still feel good, because "hey, i have concord support, the Alpha will not be enough and hey...all fine"...well thats what you tell to Mr.Jonesman.

...

At this point, i thank everyone for readying ( to be honest, i doubt anyone read it to the end )...but somehow i started writing and i could´n stop...the ideas and features kept coming.
2+hours, i need a coffee :D

o/ best regards
Dimitrios