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Expanded Orehold - Updated
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manus
Subhypersonics
#1 - 2017-04-10 17:02:48 UTC  |  Edited by: manus
Hi. Currently mining in my Mackinaw. Would CCP make some modules that expand ore hold?

-- edit --

Trying out level 4 mining missions. Gonna need an ore hold with 44800m3 for this one ... So there is definitely a need to be able to reach that amount.

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There seems to be a myth going around that if modules to increase Ore hold was introduced all existing Ore holds would have to be nerfed. Which is untrue afaict. What would be the harm in allowing miners to increase ore holds? Whats the downside if for example the mackinaw and retriever could achive ore holds of >45.000m3?

Keep in mind the ore hold increase should not be free, and those barges are pretty under tanked to begin with afaik. So if you wanna increase Ore hold, you are sacrifing tank or yield (I imagine the ore hold increase modules are low slot modules, which is in line with expanded cargo hold modules.) If CCP wanted to be really good to players they would make rigs that increased Ore Hold as well. Because then you can keep your mining laser upgrade in the low slots but use Rigs to increase Ore Hold. The goal of the modules should be to be able to reach the maximum m3 neded for a level 4 mission. At this time this is around 45,000m3 afaik.

-- i dont want to spam this ideas forum more than i have --

I came up with a new idea for a mining mission. The corporation wants to build something, somewhere, but a big asteroid is in the way. Lets make it a rare asteroid that is not found in that system normally. For example Jaspet or something. The only reward is loyalty points, but the miner gets to keep anything he mines. The corporation is only happy you will remove the asteroid for them so they can anchor whatever they wanted or whatever.

This spices up mining mission varieaty a bit. And every little bit helps. Imagine if CCP could consistently add nuanced content like this not just for miners. Within a year the game would improve alot.

Can you imagine the patch notes if they said "Improved mining missions". So many people would be interested in that. There would be an ovation if done right.
Bjorn Tyrson
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2017-04-10 17:17:33 UTC
A mackinaw has an ore hold of up to 35,000 m3 how long do you really want to be able to mine afk?
manus
Subhypersonics
#3 - 2017-04-10 17:32:47 UTC
i dont think its possible to be able to mine afk. i have to constantly babysit the strip miners. maybe i am missing something. anyhow, a module that maybe does +5% ore hold but reduces maybe drone space and cargohold + structural hitpoints etc. seem like a fair tradeoff. Of course this is just off the top of my head and people who actually know how to balance may have a better idea.
Bjorn Tyrson
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2017-04-10 17:50:37 UTC
As I said. The mackinaw ore hold is massive. If you need more than that then use a hauler alt for pickups or switch to an orca or rorqual
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2017-04-10 18:21:34 UTC
Why do you want your current hold nerfed and then force you to chose between ore hold or mining efficiency?

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Ageanal Olerie
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2017-04-10 20:03:58 UTC


It's a shame that cargo expanders do not work on a ship's primary cargo type hold.

I'd like to see cargo expanders work on your ship's primary cargo type. Or have specialized cargo expanders for things like Ore hold, the specialized gallente industrials, fleet hanger, etc...
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2017-04-10 20:23:57 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Why do you want your current hold nerfed and then force you to chose between ore hold or mining efficiency?


Hey OP, answer this one. It's pretty important.
Alderson Point
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2017-04-10 20:57:47 UTC
The ore holds are arguably the main balance feature of mining barges, altering that balance would have consequences.
You might not like the consequences, really not like them at all.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#9 - 2017-04-10 21:54:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Daichi Yamato
Lol yeah just like freighters, you're gonna get a nerf before you can fit expanders. And you realise barges used to have normal bays that could be expanded right? Just as a matter of perspectives, when barges had expandable bays, the largest base capacity was 8km3. And that's when they had to share space with crystals...

The whole reason miners wanted ore bays instead of expandable bays was so they didn't have to choose between tank, yield and space. CCP thought it'd also be a good way to balance the barges against eachother and barges against haulers.


https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/ship-balancing-mining-barges/

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

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Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
Citizen's Star Republic
#10 - 2017-04-10 23:59:31 UTC
No dude,

You do not need more space, quit using hulks or covetors and get Proc/SKiff or Retty/Mack.

Or like others already said get a hauler acct, or jetcan or something or upgrade to an Orca or Rorq.

other than those options, you can ..........well you know what to do.
Ageanal Olerie
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2017-04-11 02:29:23 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Why do you want your current hold nerfed and then force you to chose between ore hold or mining efficiency?


Hey OP, answer this one. It's pretty important.


Why do you want him to answer something he never implied?

At any rate, when you have expanders (which would add to existing capacity) you are necessarily giving up something else you could fit into those (presumably low) slots. Be that extra tank, mining laser upgrades, etc...

And who's to say someone doesn't simply prefer the look of a particular ship but would rather it had a larger ore capacity.
grgjegb gergerg
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2017-04-11 02:44:13 UTC
Hahaha. No.

Remember back when jetcan mining was the main go-to? No ORE ships, just faction frigate/cruisers with mining bonuses?

It's fine now. Compared to mining in an old Bantam or something, every other option now is a huge amount better.
Bjorn Tyrson
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2017-04-11 03:19:13 UTC
grgjegb gergerg wrote:
Hahaha. No.

Remember back when jetcan mining was the main go-to? No ORE ships, just faction frigate/cruisers with mining bonuses?

It's fine now. Compared to mining in an old Bantam or something, every other option now is a huge amount better.


Battleship mining best mining.
Matthias Ancaladron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2017-04-11 09:24:53 UTC
Support, just alter expanders to provide a percentage for every hold. Not just cargo.
Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
Citizen's Star Republic
#15 - 2017-04-11 15:00:25 UTC
Matthias Ancaladron wrote:
Support, just alter expanders to provide a percentage for every hold. Not just cargo.


Uhm yeah, how about no.....
an the reason for that is the way CCP balances things like freighters.

To get the same space we have now they will nerf the size down so that using expanders will get us the same space we already have now when using them.

Some of you need to learn your history.

no, no ,no

Did I say NO, i think i did.
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#16 - 2017-04-11 15:13:09 UTC
No.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#17 - 2017-04-11 15:33:13 UTC
Ageanal Olerie wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Why do you want your current hold nerfed and then force you to chose between ore hold or mining efficiency?


Hey OP, answer this one. It's pretty important.


Why do you want him to answer something he never implied?.



OP asked for freighters with fittings a long time ago. We told him that freighters would be nerfed if they did. And guess what? they got nerfed.

Now he's asking for the same thing on barges. What do you think's gonna happen? That you're gonna get expanders on a barge with 35km3 hold?

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

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manus
Subhypersonics
#18 - 2017-04-11 22:34:09 UTC  |  Edited by: manus
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Why do you want your current hold nerfed and then force you to chose between ore hold or mining efficiency?


Convenience.

-- edit -- But why do you think the current hold should be nerfed? The game wont break if miners suddenly get ore holds that can reach 45.000m3. Seems like you havent thought this through.
manus
Subhypersonics
#19 - 2017-04-11 22:35:14 UTC
Alderson Point wrote:
The ore holds are arguably the main balance feature of mining barges, altering that balance would have consequences.
You might not like the consequences, really not like them at all.


What excactly would be imbalanced about increasing the ore hold? Im genuinely curious. It seems more like a QoL improvement
manus
Subhypersonics
#20 - 2017-04-11 22:35:59 UTC
Max Deveron wrote:
You do not need more space,


That is not up to you to decide.
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