Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I rate this as a decent troll, seeing as to how many people fell for it. 6.5/10

Tackle is apparently an attribute that is deemed important enough to provide some variety to ships. Loki, Proteus, Hics, Dics, Mordus ships, interceptors, Serpentis. When you make bonused ships sound so horrible you're talking about the ability to tackle -up- in ship class. That's pretty powerful and tackle could be distributed a bit better with this type of change.

it should be achieved through module stats or ship bonuses, and not a binary mechanic on any subcap. I have gone over it.

I'm not saying I'm right, I just see a lot of white knighting in an ideas section.

There is no benefit here. You want to remove solo pvp, remove newbie tackle, remove the ability of a fleet to punch upwards, and force everyone into an incredibly narrow range of ships if they are determined enough to want to do these things, for a proposed benefit of making it a lot easier to **** on smaller classes of ship.

Right now if I take a solo frigate out into faction warfare, I can fight anything I can land a point on. Under your proposal, anything bigger than me will just warp away with no effort or consequence. Please explain why nerfing my ability to fight a bigger ship in my choice of smaller ship, as opposed to a tackle ship which will undoubtedly have considerably less in the way of combat ability, is a good thing.

It's not hard to assume that running around in a solo comet means I will no longer be able to fight battleships when your entire proposal is centred around preventing my solo comet from fighting battleships.

Where is the buff if I cannot tackle an overconfident battleship pilot with a frigate? Where is the buff if I am forced to bring a very specific class of ship if I want to punch upwards? Or if my fleet of alphas in frigates is utterly incapable of killing a dreadnaught simply because his ship is bigger than ours? Or if skirmishing in a jackdaw fleet becomes impossible once the other side jumps into their caracals and simply warps away from every engagement?

How can I hunt ratting VNIs in an astero if I can't tackle them? How can my stratios explode dumb battleships if they can just warp out and dock up every time?


Absolutely nothing I have mentioned here is a stretch when your proposal is to stop solo or even small gangs of small ships from tackling bigger ones, unless you bring the equivalent of a recon or an EAF with you. Making every attempt to punch upwards into a race to see if you can pop them before they can pop all your incredibly specialised tackle ships is not a good idea.

A lot of game mechanics are stacked against fighting down, which you seem to enjoy. It's hard to apply damage downward and it's kind of one of the reasons why Battlecruisers and Battleships are sucky.

it's so that every single character in space can't slow you down to a crawl and there is a possibility that a ship can slip a tackle instead of it being always. If tackle modules affect a ship in more gradual ways there can still be effects that make combat more interesting instead of binary. So there actually is something in return. And it's not more complicated than how 95% of every module in EVE works based on ship stats.

Tackle is ALWAYS going to be binary because warping is binary. You're either warping (and almost always on your way to a station where you'll dock and be completely invulnerable) or you aren't warping. There's no middle ground where you're warping slower or whatever, you're still invulnerable the moment your ship enters warp. So tackle is either 100% effective and keeps you from warping, or 0% effective and you warp. All your idiotic proposal does is move more instances of tackle into the 0% category, encouraging people to blob with enough extra ships that escape becomes impossible again.

It's better to let the tackled ship keep its MWD on anyway for the sig bloom. Turning it off helps them.

Your speed modification mean that depending on how it's coded, I either can't warp at all or I need to trick the speed by shutting off a prop mod or get bumped hard.

Requiring more caps is useless since I wold still have warped away.

Reducing my MWD speed will be meaningless since I will still warp away from you.

Reducing my agility mean my align takes a bit longer but I can still warp off.

Can't wait for fleet where me and my fleet mate land multiple form of mobility EWAR on an enemy just for him to still warp away under you idea of a fun game.