EVE General Discussion

NO...

It's CCP's property........

no wishes,no demands......

you can always leave,there is the door.....

No, it was removed for good reason. Would you use a crippled browser that was out of date when it was implemented, and has rarely if ever been patched in the years since, in a software product that you're trying to sell?

Use a second monitor or any of the numerous free apps/overlays that allow you to have an always on top browser.

I just plug into the TV, and use my normal monitor as the secondary. Eve on a big screen TV is a sight to behold.

BTW are you sure it's not "win" + "tab"?

What, exactly, did you think they were having to keep it updated with?

Security was specifically discussed as a main concern, you can go back and dig up the removal thread if you want to read about it, a bunch of devs were active in that thread. There were also concerns over it not being able to even display a lot of newer web pages, but the security issues it presented were the primary concern.

After all, CCP are an internet spaceships company, not a web browser company.

Also please learn to read "too much work" not as "lazy" but as "takes too much time away from other things" because that's what that means in dev land.

I've played for five years on a laptop while sitting on my couch. Now I need to buy multiple monitors to play properly, just because CCP didn't want to patch the in game browser? Last I checked it's hard to set up multiple monitors in front of me on a couch.



You've never been in a WH, have you?

Wow.

Internet couch-potatoes are calling video game devs lazy because re-inventing the wheel is impractical .

The Nintendo Switch? It was hacked almost instantly from an old version of WebKit that was included to view things like ToS in a 'browser' like program.

Anybody with a brain can see why CCP ditched re-inventing the modern web-browser. I'd rather have content.

Id just love to see some integration for overlays for other browsers. But I see there are suitable other programs anyways. Itd still be cool to do though. Same with integration of popular music players to return the jukebox in some fashion. But I doubt itd be super easy or necessary.

But yes a second monitor is a lot more fun imo.

Look, DMC, I have a fair amount of respect for you normally but you're waaaaay off the mark here.

First off, the Jukebox and IGB are both entirely client-side applications. The Jukebox ran in the game and loaded music from your PC, either from your Eve install or from a local file folder. It never had to talk to the Eve servers to work or do any of the things it did.

Similarly the IGB is entirely client side. It takes web pages from the web and displayed them in *your client*.

Both took dev time to keep working and maintain. I suspect you're saying they took none because we never saw any significant updates to them, but that's kind of the problem here. They took dev time just by existing. The Jukebox had to keep up with updates to audio formats, even old ones get updates sometimes. The IGB had a similar but much larger issue in that web pages are a constantly evolving standard, and at the point it was retired the IGB was equivalent to something like IE-6 or 7, or like Chrome 1.0 which is *ancient*. That's without getting into the bug reports either of those generated, which is another drain on dev time.

The Evelopedia took up time to curate and keep up to date, and in the last few years of its life it was basically *never* up to date, and every time there was something missing off it someone at CCP had to spend time to update it.

I personally don't have any instances that I can point to of someone losing their account due to the IGB, but I wouldn't really expect there to be any anyways. First off, if someone's lost their account they can't post about it here. On top of that it's not like this is some hacker movie where the screen flickers as soon as the bad link is clicked. You click the link, a page loads for a sec and waits a second, and then it either sends you off to whatever legit Eve site it was pretending to be or it's malicious code that's been snuck into the site in question through an ad or something.

That's without getting into CCP's own API and the info the IGB could give someone without even having to break anything.

With the IGB, Jukebox, and Evelopedia CCP were given a choice between spending a lot of time and effort to update them to the point of being functional again, or they could retire them, and it was quite a reasonable thing for them to choose the latter. I'd rather have a team dedicated to new Ships or new Art or basically any other in-space feature rather than the team it would take to maintain the IGB and/or Jukebox and keep them even vaguely patched, bug fixed, and up to date.

This isn't BS, this is my professional view as someone who works with software every day. CCP did the right thing in retiring a couple of horrible old legacy applications that were so far past their sell-by date they qualified for a senior's discount at IHOP.

So not only are multiple accounts often advised by others, but also multiple monitors just so you can figure out the game from outside the game. Well, thats great.

You can alt+tab if you are not a baby like OP.