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Should CCP look at limiting Jita local chat to 2 post per???

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Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#1 - 2017-04-03 06:11:41 UTC
Jita has been and still thee worst place for spam posts, while sometimes amusing maybe it's time to cap local in Jita to a maximum amount of posts per player similar to the timer thing when you jettison a can and have to wait to jettison another.

We have the ability to have channels so maybe its time to use them, or maybe a Jita merchant channel that pops up just like the incursion channel does and still cap local so spam is not easy, if its important enough people can always have private chats that are completely unlimited, anyway any ideals?
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2017-04-03 06:13:13 UTC
why do you want a serious local chat in jita?
the more messy the better it is, specially for scammers Bear
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#3 - 2017-04-03 06:15:04 UTC
As I said it can be amusing at time, but it's mostly just gibberish nonsense, but if folks want it...I guess.
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#4 - 2017-04-03 06:30:55 UTC
Even if you block all the spam there's not much good conversation to be had anyway in front of 1000 people

@lunettelulu7

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2017-04-03 06:31:31 UTC
Just block the annoying ones that spam the same rip off contract every 3 seconds.

Eventually Local chat will clean up and then you can converse with other players.



DMC
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#6 - 2017-04-03 06:33:30 UTC
Lulu Lunette wrote:
Even if you block all the spam there's not much good conversation to be had anyway in front of 1000 people



Absolutely agree, I only post this because for a long time people have complained about spamming and there just seems like no solutions have been brought fourth that could work.
Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#7 - 2017-04-03 07:18:01 UTC
Close local if in Jita = solution that works 100%

YeuxVerts Belle
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2017-04-03 07:19:45 UTC
Local channel, even Jita's, works as intended. No problem, thus no solution needed.

The above message presents my opinions on the topic at hand. If there is a conflict between my views and reality, consider reality to be correct until proven otherwise.

Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#9 - 2017-04-03 07:23:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Every other system in the game the local chat is boring/nonexistent.

Lets not take the Jita out of Jita too and make it like every other system in the game. The annoyance of local is what gives Jita some personality, but it's easy to block, or just close local while there if you don't like it.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#10 - 2017-04-03 07:26:43 UTC
Algorithm that causes people to get "x" seconds delay between posting reply? Dependent on player numbers in the system?
Yebo Lakatosh
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2017-04-03 10:20:55 UTC
So you propose to severly cripple the income of a group of players with a certain occupation... for you dislike it?

Can I also propose to limit the income of mining to 10 mil ISK/hour? I never mined, and I don't hold miners in the highest regard, so I think my idea is very good.

#rocklivesmatter

Elite F1 pilot since YC119, incarnate of honor, integrity and tidi.

Gregorius Goldstein
Queens of the Drone Age
#12 - 2017-04-03 12:02:18 UTC
Why do you even read Jita local? It's kind of a basic intelligence test: If you pay attention to it more than a few minutes you didn’t pass. Local chat isn’t used much in any highsec system anyway (apart from occasional salt harvesting) so purging Jita won’t free a needed or important space/tool/option anyway.
StonerPhReaK
Herb Men
#13 - 2017-04-03 12:22:16 UTC
Piugattuk wrote:


We have the ability to have channels so maybe its time to use them.


Quoted the important bit.

Minimize local, Use private channels. Jita local isnt a trade channel. Its the scam channel.

Signatures wer cooler when we couldn't remove them completely.

Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#14 - 2017-04-03 12:30:44 UTC
Something close to Nanas idea post but slightly deviated.

Its about unique posts vs spam posts. Spam is the same automated message again and again. You would need to set a chat filter to parse player and player post content for original content and then set a timer to repost said information based on a exponential algorithm much like.... wait for it... jump fatigue. THe more you spam your content, be it identical or even a % of identical, ie you add characters, words, jibberish but your main body is 60, 70, 80 or 90% identical to the last post you add more time till you can post again.

This would allow those who wish to chat normally or can spam a post or two but soon you build up a large timer and you wont see it again for minutes, hours or even days for terrible offenders. A normal conversation flow is truly unique in phrases, words, etc and thereby creating a unique word filter would simply do the trick. Blink

Then you just add the unique words together to get a score in a % of truly unique content. Anything above a certain cut off is labeled "spam" and given a rechat timer internally, if one does so within a set limit like jump fatigue but you are able to re enter your text and the filter cut off is hit then you are given a longer timer, etc, etc until noone sees your spam again.

So given the exponential nature if the repost trigger timer is say 2 mins. You then repost within that two mins which kicks in the algorithm % that says your post is 100% reposted material and the longer fatigue timer kicks in. It now will only allow you to post after 5 mins but if you post within a 5 min time limit of that post if lengthens the post fatigue to say 20 mins with a 20 min cooldown after the next post. You might only ever see true spam maybe 4 or 5 times a day. Or force the person to redo the post uniquely EVERY time they post if with certain unique content % cut offs. These cut offs could be raised or lowered by CCP internally for players or situations.

Such things like contracts and other spam, which is the majority, is rather difficult to redo uniquely as they are all just cut and paste or ctrl +up arrow enter.Twisted

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Jacques d'Orleans
#15 - 2017-04-03 13:54:30 UTC
Yebo Lakatosh wrote:
So you propose to severly cripple the income of a group of players with a certain occupation... for you dislike it?


Always the same whine just a different gravy.
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#16 - 2017-04-03 14:08:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Piugattuk
Yebo Lakatosh wrote:
So you propose to severly cripple the income of a group of players with a certain occupation... for you dislike it?

Can I also propose to limit the income of mining to 10 mil ISK/hour? I never mined, and I don't hold miners in the highest regard, so I think my idea is very good.

#rocklivesmatter


Yes scammers need their income too, I mine on occasion but almost never sell ore or minerals, my income is mostly derived from selling goods and ships, selling raw materials is mostly a no, I pay for my account instead of grinding to plex it because it keeps the lights on at CCP.

Plus it free's me up to do what I want when I want, normally for me I do different activities everyday it just depends on my mood or goal I have, just so people know I do normally run with local closed so nah Jita doesn't really bother me and I have no problem with scammers as I do miss a player called 'pricecheck Tony' he was a funny guy in Jita.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2017-04-03 14:11:49 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Just block the annoying ones that spam the same rip off contract every 3 seconds.

Eventually Local chat will clean up and then you can converse with other players.



DMC

There was people advising against blocking people. Somehow being blocked helps with checking online status of person.

High-sec mercs can describe it better.

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#18 - 2017-04-03 14:17:19 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Every other system in the game the local chat is boring/no existent.

You've never been in local with me, have you?

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.

Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#19 - 2017-04-03 14:23:03 UTC
Linus Gorp wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Every other system in the game the local chat is boring/no existent.

You've never been in local with me, have you?


There are a few systems that I fly through to be familiar with some of the flora and fauna of characters, some are amusing to watch others are just living out fantasies in their megalomania dreams and I do tend to bookmark those folks who stand out, yeah there's some live ones out there.
Yebo Lakatosh
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2017-04-03 14:31:22 UTC
Jacques d'Orleans wrote:
Yebo Lakatosh wrote:
So you propose to severly cripple the income of a group of players with a certain occupation... for you dislike it?


Always the same whine just a different gravy.

Yeah, but this time it's suggested for aesthetic reasons. Big smile

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