Out of Pod Experience

This may be CCP's Waterloo. I seriously think someone (probably the same people who said Incarna was a good idea) told the executives "HEY FPS GAMES ARE ALL THE RAGE, AND THE CONSOLE HAS MORE GAMERS THEN THE PC... SOOOOO
CONSOLE+ FPS WILL BRING THE BEST OF BOTH WORLD'S TOGETHER... THIS CAN'T FAIL, YOUR GONNA MAKE TONS OF CASH"

Reasons Dust will fail.... horribly

REASON 1
Most FPSes usually flop because the market is saturated with them, and if they do well its very short lived.... so what happens when DUST players move on?

REASON 2
FPSers have little patience, they want instant gratification NOW.... you think they are gonna wait for you to pick them up/drop them off? You think excuses like "Sorry they set up a bubble" will make sense to them? Eve is a game of patience, FPSers don't have that

REASON 3
FPSer are known to be cheap... if you mention anything about a PC they will say "Yeah right, so I have to buy a thousand dollar computer just to play a $50 game?" So I can only imagine how they will react when they see the game ask them for real money just to stay competitive

REASON 4
If DUST doesn't get a 9 or higher on the gaming review sites, forget about it. According to FPSers that game has been deemed unplayable, I mean look how they rage when a popular game gets a anything lower then a 9.5. I doubt DUST will get a 9 since its treading on sacred HALO territory (Space FPS). Not to mention the first ever pay to play FPS on consoles will lose BIG points come review day

REASON 5
As touched upon in reason 1, players WILL LEAVE
Eve's "Wait 2 year until you can be effective" leveling system WON'T WORK in the FPS console world cause console players want to be LEET NOW, not a year.... or even a week from now. When they do move on, what happens to Dust?

REASON 6
From what I hear, you have to be dropped off at a Planet by another ship.... tell me what alliance/corp would let a hostile even close to his space, let alone let them land a force there? Even if they do land, how will they be reinforced since now the whole corp/alliance knows where the landing party is a will send in an army of guys to instantly wipe them out. Wheres the fun in that for the FPSer?
Land-See little to no resistance-Have reinforcements cut off-Get overran/Repeat

REASON 7
According to what I'm hearing the only thing DUST players will fight over are Planets. Have you ever heard of a EVE war that was over Planets? You notice that most Planets aren't even occupied with CCs. Even if you did have the option to take Tech Moons, how long would that last? Since friendly ship won't be able to use the planet/moon/station (Refer to Reason 6).
If thats the main attraction for DUST then you can count it a failure before it even comes out.

REASON 8
No PC... REALLY?
The place where 100% of you revenue comes from will be completely cut out in favor of consoles? I heard the argument that too many EVE players would stop playing EVE and start playing DUST instead. All I have to say to this logic is WTF

Something tells me the person who said Incerna was a good idea also came up with the logic to cut off its 100% source of income and bet big on CCPs first venture into consoles. I mean why would you basically force your bread and butter to have to put up $300 instead of just making the game for PCs ( I mean thats kinda where CCPs income comes from)

Overall it seems DUST514 will be a game about taking PI, Moons, and possibly stations from other people.... thats pretty much it. And FPSer just want to shoot things now.. not be called into battle "if" something happens. CCP should just focus on EVE and stick to the PC

-My 2 isk

That's a fine collection of opinion mixed liberally with a fair amount of disdain for people who game on consoles.

I think you'll find that the gaming industry as a whole disagrees with you on pretty much every point.

Check any major game review site on the web.... and pay particular attention to the subscriber responses to articles about DUST.

Dust is a different animal from the standard FPS. the reason why the FPS market goes from game to game becuase there reallly arent that many good ones. Same maps over and over again, nothing changes the whole reason why its short becuase there isnt anything left to do or the game just utterly sucks (Im looking at you terminator and jericho and bullet storm even) but is this really a console FPS problem? answer is easily no its always has been a Game problem since... 1984? Game runs out time to move on.

DUST 514 however has something special, its capable of moving on, even wtihout the developers, or modders or tweakers.
DUST 514 can move on because they will have an assest no other shooter ever used before. The players themselves.

There is not another shooter in the world that does this.
There is not another shooter where I can answer you what is next because its something we want to do.
There is not anther shooter where my answer can be so easily interrupted by someone elses answer which can be just as fun or that one absolute terrifying moment of dread.

This isnt red vs blue
This isnt allaince vs horde
This is not heros vs villans
This is you vs the whole amarr damned galaxy.
You decide who to work with.
You only make the plans you can afford to risk.
You will have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
You will only trust the guy next to you as far as you can shoot him from.
You will have a plan to worm your way to the top
and if you are lucky enough you will hopefully have a plan on staying there.

History.

Who was the david that shot down golaith's titan down in the battle of PCR-8 IV?
Who was the heros that defended the lone communications tower that was so critical to coordinate the defense of Faythbolis preventing its invasion?
Who was the scoundroul that robbed the Allaince's entire Armory?
Who was the Liar, who sold you the worst gun in the history of instellar warfare under the guise of the world's most powerful prototype?
Who was the betrayer that ended the most powerful mercanary corporation in the history fo the game?
What was the homeworld you fought for months on end to defend and only to lose.
Does that scar still remain there the ache and pains it caused to lose it.
Will you ever get around to fullfilling that promise to return one day?
To restore her to her former glory?
Or will you burn it all to the ground?

Names will rise, battles will happen, people will talk, some will look up, some will look at the backs of others charging ahead only to follow, some will leave but those who stay are staying for the long haul for there is only one direction for them to go, Foward and amarr damn any soldier, mercenary, tank, fighter, tower, or even a demigod to get in thier way.

Welcome to eve online my friend. Welcome to eve online of these ammar forsakened grounds, enjoy the smell of freshly ashened plasma lands in the morning, for that my friend will be the smell of victory.

edit
I should probably this reworked out a bit get it better smoothed out and present it again as a manifesto or something I dunno. I like it.

Dust's strength must come from its economics, like eve. It must complement eve in almost every way, lore, economics, scale, ISK prices etc. Essentially it IS part of new eden, and therefore in my eyes, EVE.

Highly skilled FPS players & clans will be in such demand to take planets that corporations in eve should be able to buy all the RMT equipment they need, hopefully with ISK. Maybe something similar to PLEX would also work in DUST (although I'm not convinced it solves more problems than it causes in eve). Like eve, there has to be a way for people to not pay anything to play fully if they have the time & skill, with the other side of people with little time or skill being taken care of with MT (and indeed taking care of CCP's balance sheet )

Also if this takes off in the highly competitive way it needs to, in 6 months every regular non casual PS3 player will be using mouse and keyboard adaptors. hopefully then the PC release will come.

It does look however that they are trying to replicate the depth of module fitting to ground combat. If they get things right with some interesting range tactics and flanking (maps maps maps), whilst thinking about the progression from small gang up to fleet equivalent engagements as they have with eve it could surpass BF3 quite easily. Some unreal-y kind of vehicles would not go amiss either as long as it doesn't go too mental.

If any of these things don't/can't happen I'm not massively hopeful of its longevity.

I can see the problem here.
* EVE Universe (in-game) is not divided into sections/servers/realms, we all roam in one cosmic soup
* Consoles have a majority of FPS players
* PC players have a major advantage over console players in FPS world (controls)
Resolve this.

EDIT: Oh, I see the solution: more dense gradation of roles. For example: Company and High Command level players (EVE Online) issuing orders to the Strategic Command players (Dust on PC) commanding the soldiers executing orders on a tactical level (Dust on consoles). This could work, but it's a hell of a challange.

Interesting. The only place that thinks DUST has an "air of failure" about it is these forums, where the population itself admits it knows little to nothing about console games.

Somehow, I"m not too worried.

…because the chain of events is too long, too uncertain, and simply too unknown to make the $$ in → EVE Win out anything but very tenuous.

Yes. With real money, you can buy a PLEX.
With that PLEX, you can buy AUR.
With that AUR, you can pay some Dust bunnies.
…who might use that AUR to buy some more advanced gear (in some way we know nothing about).
…which might give them an edge in battle (in some way we know nothing about).
…which might overcome the better skill and tactics of the other team.
…which might let them sway the balance on some godforsaken planet (to some degree which we know nothing about).
…which might have some effect on the planet in EVE (in a way we know nothing about).
…which will give you… what advantage, exactly?

Yay. You blew up someone's Robotics factory (or… well… you blew up someone's felsic magma plant — P3 manufacturing is usually done in highsec where there won't be any Dust). That doesn't really qualify as a “serious advantage”, and you're most certainly not buying it with your real money — at best, you might nudge things a bit in your favour if the bunnies do their job right with your help.

I do believe CCP has planned a major overhaul of the sov thing in EvE. My guess is that moons/pos access will be dependent on the planet ownership. But we have to wait to see.

That said dust players will need a way to play when/if eve alliances have no jobs for them. I don't see planet invasion as the only/main way to play for dust players. Some form of random match should be possible, but with less rewards of course.

At this stage the extent of the Dust/Eve link is too vague for us to know what the end effect on Eve itself could be.

When we hear more details we can decide whether to worry or not.

Great, another attempt to condense Sov effects. Still no efforts being put in play to address lack of content for the 2000 people who need to be on standby in case someone decides to siege one of those systems.