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Tuevo Forth
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2017-03-30 02:49:51 UTC
*wake up*
*yawn*
*get out bed*
*feel a bit of bladder pressure*
*launch core probes--time to find out where the bathroom door is today*

--

Would it be terrible if you could anchor something before going to bed, pop some probes into it, and then wake up to a cache of bookmarks or some kind of report?

I haven't thought this through any farther than the urination joke. But I assume that it's come up and was roundly attacked as heretical, and I'm curious as to what precisely was so bad about the idea.
Zarek Kree
Lunatic Legion Holdings
#2 - 2017-03-30 03:32:07 UTC
I think the core issue is that any change to the mechanics that makes certain activities easier reduces the value of those activities. Many people are well skilled and proficient at scanning. When you make scanning easier for the people who aren't, it degrades the value of those skills. You can certainly argue over the proper difficulty balance, but that tenant is at the heart of all such discussions. After months of living solo in a wormhole, I came to hate scanning and would certainly love such an automatic device, but I don't think it would be good for the game as a whole. The people who are good at it and enjoy it should be rewarded for that.
Tuevo Forth
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2017-03-30 03:45:43 UTC
Zarek Kree wrote:
I think the core issue is that any change to the mechanics that makes certain activities easier reduces the value of those activities. Many people are well skilled and proficient at scanning. When you make scanning easier for the people who aren't, it degrades the value of those skills. You can certainly argue over the proper difficulty balance, but that tenant is at the heart of all such discussions. After months of living solo in a wormhole, I came to hate scanning and would certainly love such an automatic device, but I don't think it would be good for the game as a whole. The people who are good at it and enjoy it should be rewarded for that.


One thing I had in mind with the example, but wasn't clear about, is that the device would be slow. You deploy it and then go to bed. I was thinking it'd allow you to wake up and then fly right to the wormholes in your system to see if the other side's interesting or not. You could get your explore on without resenting someone not having been up earlier so that you'd know where your own home's exits are. You'd still have to use probes on the other side, and to spot new sites.

I guess it would still devalue the probing skills of people who want to live peacefully in their own hole.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2017-03-30 20:41:50 UTC
These used to exist as POS mods pre Apocrypha.
These days scanning is so simple that it really isnt needed though if you do feel a desire to have scanning done for you, drop me a mail with your kspace connections and I would be happy to assist!

There is no Bob.

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Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#5 - 2017-03-31 05:00:57 UTC
Its a pain for sure but its part of what makes WH space different. Also if you are using a WH mapper scanning your home system should not take long as normally only a few sigs will spawn over a day. Its scanning your new connected system with 30 Sigs that's the issue.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2017-03-31 05:50:47 UTC
Andrew Indy wrote:
Its a pain for sure but its part of what makes WH space different. Also if you are using a WH mapper scanning your home system should not take long as normally only a few sigs will spawn over a day. Its scanning your new connected system with 30 Sigs that's the issue.

scanning a 30 sig system is a 5min job. what's the issue?

There is no Bob.

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unimatrix0030
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2017-03-31 19:18:14 UTC
Scanning has become easier each time they adjust the interface.
And still people seem to be to lazy to scan... .
I would rather have alliance bookmarks first, or fleet bookmarks, those would be a bigger improvement of wh life then this.

No local in null sec would fix everything!
Zarek Kree
Lunatic Legion Holdings
#8 - 2017-04-01 01:49:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Zarek Kree
Jack Miton wrote:
scanning a 30 sig system is a 5min job. what's the issue?


Yes Jack...We see you dear. You're Mommy's special little scanner. Now stop jumping on the bed.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2017-04-02 07:10:00 UTC
unimatrix0030 wrote:
Scanning has become easier each time they adjust the interface.
And still people seem to be to lazy to scan....

you said it...
tbh, I expect people wont stop complaining until all sigs just get converted anoms and scanning goes away entirely.
at some point, you have to ask yourself if you should be in wspace if you dont want to have to scan.

There is no Bob.

Stuck In Here With Me:  http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/

Down the Pipe:  http://feeds.feedburner.com/CloakyScout
Shelby Dusette
Division 13
#10 - 2017-04-02 15:25:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Shelby Dusette
Zarek Kree wrote:
Yes Jack...We see you dear.

Shakin' dat ass.

Jack Miton wrote:
drop me a mail with your kspace connections and I would be happy to assist!

My sista offered to link you with our holes so many times, but you always took the back door instead n' just tried awoxing us.

But I still miss sharing a pos with our favorite unshowered, angry Queenslander. Sad

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2017-04-02 21:46:53 UTC
Im not from queensland

There is no Bob.

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Shelby Dusette
Division 13
#12 - 2017-04-02 22:32:01 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Im not from queensland

So you say, but I don't believe it.

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Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#13 - 2017-04-04 01:58:39 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Andrew Indy wrote:
Its a pain for sure but its part of what makes WH space different. Also if you are using a WH mapper scanning your home system should not take long as normally only a few sigs will spawn over a day. Its scanning your new connected system with 30 Sigs that's the issue.

scanning a 30 sig system is a 5min job. what's the issue?


I think you are missing the point, the only place that you would really use this module is your home system, even for a bad scanner scanning you home is not an issue. The place that scanning is hard this module would not be useful hence module is redundant.

As a second note, if you can scan 30 sigs to 100% and BM all of them in less than 5 minute I'll eat my hat (Figuratively as I don't have a hat) . If you mean just find the WHs and BM them, well that's pretty easy.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2017-04-04 02:20:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Miton
Andrew Indy wrote:
As a second note, if you can scan 30 sigs to 100% and BM all of them in less than 5 minute I'll eat my hat (Figuratively as I don't have a hat) . If you mean just find the WHs and BM them, well that's pretty easy.

Never tried tbh, why would you BM non WH sigs? *shrug*
Tell you what, I'll see how many sigs I can get to 100% in 5 min and let you know. Maybe I'll even buy you a hat ;)

youre right though, module does not seem useful.

There is no Bob.

Stuck In Here With Me:  http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/

Down the Pipe:  http://feeds.feedburner.com/CloakyScout
Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#15 - 2017-04-05 05:45:54 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Andrew Indy wrote:
As a second note, if you can scan 30 sigs to 100% and BM all of them in less than 5 minute I'll eat my hat (Figuratively as I don't have a hat) . If you mean just find the WHs and BM them, well that's pretty easy.

Never tried tbh, why would you BM non WH sigs? *shrug*
Tell you what, I'll see how many sigs I can get to 100% in 5 min and let you know. Maybe I'll even buy you a hat ;)

youre right though, module does not seem useful.


Some people are not just out to hunt :)


Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2017-04-05 08:10:31 UTC
that's crazy talk!

There is no Bob.

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Mister Tuggles
Dickhead Corner
#17 - 2017-04-07 14:56:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Mister Tuggles
Zarek Kree wrote:
I think the core issue is that any change to the mechanics that makes certain activities easier reduces the value of those activities. Many people are well skilled and proficient at scanning. When you make scanning easier for the people who aren't, it degrades the value of those skills. You can certainly argue over the proper difficulty balance, but that tenant is at the heart of all such discussions. After months of living solo in a wormhole, I came to hate scanning and would certainly love such an automatic device, but I don't think it would be good for the game as a whole. The people who are good at it and enjoy it should be rewarded for that.



There is a huge difference in the skill needed to scan down a player in a site, and scanning down an actual WH/site
Mr Glaser
Violence is the Answer
#18 - 2017-04-20 18:25:16 UTC
Tuevo Forth wrote:
Zarek Kree wrote:
I think the core issue is that any change to the mechanics that makes certain activities easier reduces the value of those activities. Many people are well skilled and proficient at scanning. When you make scanning easier for the people who aren't, it degrades the value of those skills. You can certainly argue over the proper difficulty balance, but that tenant is at the heart of all such discussions. After months of living solo in a wormhole, I came to hate scanning and would certainly love such an automatic device, but I don't think it would be good for the game as a whole. The people who are good at it and enjoy it should be rewarded for that.


One thing I had in mind with the example, but wasn't clear about, is that the device would be slow. You deploy it and then go to bed. I was thinking it'd allow you to wake up and then fly right to the wormholes in your system to see if the other side's interesting or not. You could get your explore on without resenting someone not having been up earlier so that you'd know where your own home's exits are. You'd still have to use probes on the other side, and to spot new sites.

I guess it would still devalue the probing skills of people who want to live peacefully in their own hole.


The problem I see with something like this, beyond agreeing with most of the other POV is that a period of time elapses ( less than 24hours ) and your entire WH dynamics change before you come back to get the results. We actively scan not only to 'Hunt' but to also have intel on our entire EVE environment. Also on another note, if you scan relics, data, & gas...helps when dropping a bubbler to catch the prey. Unlike Null plebs, where once they see you in local they simply run for their safes or stations. Alliance/Corp Bookmarks are the #1 problem in WH, confirmed!

o7
Eikin Skjald
Ars Venandi
#19 - 2017-04-21 07:42:35 UTC
A Module to run all, these PvE Sites in our home at night would be better.....

There is also something wrong when you have 30 sigs in your home...than it's not your home I believe ;)
Ray P
Unquestionable Prosperity
Commonwealth Vanguard
#20 - 2017-04-22 10:42:18 UTC
just starting out in a wormhole myself right now so i'm probably doing it wrong, but i have a hard time keeping track of all the sigs and bookmarks. i just wish they'd stay scanned if i leave system so i have less bookmarks to manage and it's easier to see new sigs in system without having to write everything down. even if wh bookmarks would just expire when the wormhole collapses, i dont mind doing the scanning but i've been in wormholes for a few days and i already i have bits of paper lying all over my desk with connections and lists of signatures.
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