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c4/c5 marauder, vargur or paladin or golem
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tekmin
Lunaoink
Olde Guarde Historical Preservation Society
#1 - 2017-03-30 02:32:02 UTC
Hi,

for soloing c5 and c4.
Paladin vs Vargur vs golem?

which one and why ?


any input helpfull.

Mostly to do c4 "fast" but c5 when finding good J space.

thanks in advance
Trixi Laminer
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2017-03-30 08:20:43 UTC
They are all good from what I've seen people discuss.
Although if a wormhole system has effects that should be taking into concideration how that might effect the ships performance.
Like most people wouldn't fly a paladin in a pulsar wh due to the nerf to armor resistances in said wh effect.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2017-03-30 20:43:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Miton
Paladin is by far the best.
Great range, DPS, tank and cap while not using ammo AND looks far and away the best? Nothing more you could ask for really :)

PS: yes, pulsar is the obvious exception.

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Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#4 - 2017-03-31 04:29:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrew Indy
Jack Miton wrote:
Paladin is by far the best.
Great range, DPS, tank and cap while not using ammo AND looks far and away the best? Nothing more you could ask for really :)

PS: yes, pulsar is the obvious exception.


I agree, Pally is the best Ship for Solo WHs C4 and C5.

In order of effectiveness.
1. Paladin - Range out to 100 KM with Pulse (DPS ~800 at 100KM, ~1200 at 30K), Easy to get Cap stable with lots of buffer to take nuets and to run smart bombs (no need to shoot frigs), Tracking to hit cruisers at any standard range. No Resistance hole. Fast Reloads and ammo swaps, lower cargo space required.
2. Golem - Bulk Range (Over 100K easy) but the DPS is lower than a Paladin, Harder to get cap stable and it has a big EM hole which needs to be plugged. Smartbombs kill you missiles and you don't have the cap to run them as much. Much lower DPS to Cruisers.
Vargur/Kronos - Arties and Rails have poor DPS and tracking, Blasters and Autos have poor DPS at Range (C5s have NPC that stay at 80KM).

Personally I think that lasers are one of the better weapons systems for PVE, its just that they are locked to EM/Therm which can be a big hit in K space but not in WHs.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2017-03-31 04:48:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Miton
Andrew Indy wrote:
Vargur/Kronos - Arties and Rails have poor DPS and tracking, Blasters and Autos have poor DPS at Range (C5s have NPC that stay at 80KM).

I don't agree that these 2 are in the same category tbh, AC vargur is quite good and I'd say it's on par with the golem.
It certainly has cap and ammo consumption issues but its range, tracking and DPS are all good.

kronos is more or less unusable.

PS: as for the rats that stay at 80+ km, these arent a problem since you should be micro jumpdriving to them, even in the paladin.

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Olmeca Gold
The Free Folk
#6 - 2017-03-31 05:30:18 UTC
Kronos is the best ship for a niche way of C5 farming, by only doing Core Garrisons. If the C5 is your static then it can be great.

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2017-03-31 05:49:21 UTC
Olmeca Gold wrote:
Kronos is the best ship for a niche way of C5 farming, by only doing Core Garrisons. If the C5 is your static then it can be great.

In what way is it better at garrisons than a paladin?

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Cleaning Crew
#8 - 2017-04-04 04:02:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrew Indy
Jack Miton wrote:
Andrew Indy wrote:
Vargur/Kronos - Arties and Rails have poor DPS and tracking, Blasters and Autos have poor DPS at Range (C5s have NPC that stay at 80KM).

I don't agree that these 2 are in the same category tbh, AC vargur is quite good and I'd say it's on par with the golem.
It certainly has cap and ammo consumption issues but its range, tracking and DPS are all good.

kronos is more or less unusable.

PS: as for the rats that stay at 80+ km, these aren't a problem since you should be micro jumpdriving to them, even in the paladin.


Well they fall in same category as far as i'm concerned but for different reasons

The Vargur does less DPS at all ranges, while The Kronos is great up to 60K and then falls flat on its face.

I did some fits with 3 Damage Mods, largest Short range Guns and 2 TC (TP for Golem) and the numbers I got are below.
DPS all the sleepers.

You can take The Golem numbers from the Top Right and apply them to the Bottom Right since there you would normally shoot cruises with faction ammo (Was using Fury for all but the top Right).

The Golem does the Best DPS to BS after 40K and the second best to cruisers after 40K, Kronos does the best DPS under 20K and the Paladin is just all round good. The Vargur can do DPS at all ranges but never great DPS.

As for Jumping, I did it a huge amount in C4s with the Paladin as a lot of stuff is over 100KM, but C5s its harder. Firstly because you want slots for tank/Cap/Application and lastly secondly because almost all spawns are at the 60K range which makes jumping almost pointless (Paladin would out DPS both the Kronos and Vargur at either 20+, 40+ , 60+ or 80Km so on either side of a 60 or 80k target after a jump.
Ste4m Punk
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2017-04-10 11:26:21 UTC
Paladin, testet on Core Garrison and Oruze Osobnyk

CEEP YOUR SHIP AWAY FROM THE THYRANNOS PLATFORM! or dont smartbomb near the platform^^

buuuuut, 2x Rattles are better :)


Fitting
https://zkillboard.com/kill/61406777/
Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#10 - 2017-04-11 03:51:05 UTC
Ste4m Punk wrote:
Paladin, testet on Core Garrison and Oruze Osobnyk

CEEP YOUR SHIP AWAY FROM THE THYRANNOS PLATFORM! or dont smartbomb near the platform^^

buuuuut, 2x Rattles are better :)


Fitting
https://zkillboard.com/kill/61406777/


Well at lease it shows you that the ship works fine for the site, just not the drifter I guess (well that was a given)
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2017-04-11 05:59:35 UTC
lol, yeah dont touch the drifter

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Ste4m Punk
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2017-04-11 09:31:37 UTC
Smartbombing the frigs in the last wave near the platform was not a good idea Roll