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Do Assault Frigate BPO's exist?
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#1 - 2011-12-29 00:50:25 UTC
Not sure if these were on the list of T2 BPO's CCP allowed to exist, but I am guessing they are.

The thought had crossed my mind to mfg some AF's for the upcoming AF buff's, but it may be pointless if there are BPO's out there that always undercut the price.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#2 - 2011-12-29 00:55:52 UTC
I just answered my own question.

Found an 10 run Enyo BPC out there with ME 100 , PE 5.
Someone has a rather well researched BPO out there.
Skorpynekomimi
#3 - 2011-12-29 02:42:57 UTC
Well, if you have a T2 BPO, you may as well research the unholy carp out of it.

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Remis ReaverNZ
Hideaway Hunters
The Hideaway.
#4 - 2011-12-29 05:17:49 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
I just answered my own question.

Found an 10 run Enyo BPC out there with ME 100 , PE 5.
Someone has a rather well researched BPO out there.


Get Invention skills up and invent BPC's for the T2 Frigs from T1 BPC's
Harleigh
Genbuku.
Psycho Unicorn Squad
#5 - 2011-12-29 06:30:24 UTC
Skorpynekomimi wrote:
Well, if you have a T2 BPO, you may as well research the unholy carp out of it.



Yup.. I have all my T2 BPO's researched nicely and the invention builds dictated the pricing on the market of most of the volumes so on any half decent T2 print, I am guarenteed to make money or be able to undercut 95% of the players if I want to do a quick sale. Doesn't really apply to the small stuff though as the differenct in build price between bpo and ME -4 on stuff like hardners doesn't really make much of a difference.
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#6 - 2011-12-29 06:46:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
As long as the demand is still higher than the realistic production output of all corresponding T2 BPOs, it doesn't matter whether a BPO owner can undercut an inventor or not - invention will be setting the prices, and inventors will mainly be competing with other INVENTORS to set the price (BPO owners will just take whatever they can get because of the inventors).

In other words, if AFs become popular enough, it is wholly irrelevant whether any BPOs for them exist or not.
P.S. FWIW, AF BPOs do exist.

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Remis ReaverNZ
Hideaway Hunters
The Hideaway.
#7 - 2011-12-29 07:23:12 UTC
I may be wrong here but, I do believe that all T2 BPO's were taken out of the game after the T20 scandal back in the day. So T2 products are from T2 BPC's that are invented from their T1 BPC varient. You can get T2 BPC drops from mission escalations and or plexes and stuff I believe but most come from invention via T1 BPO copys....
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#8 - 2011-12-29 08:24:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Remis ReaverNZ wrote:
I may be wrong here but, I do believe that all T2 BPO's were taken out of the game after the T20 scandal back in the day.

Nope, sorry, you were wrong, most of the T2 BPOs that ever existed are still around.
Easily checked by the fact you can actually find some on contracts every now and then, and quite often in the sell forum.
The "good" T2 BPOs often sell for anywhere between 3 to 5 years' worth of profits (although I suppose you might call it a guideline rather than a rule), and for the less good ones it's quite often a lot more years' worth of profit (collector value far overshadowing economic value) - allegedly, the decent ones have almost all changed hands at least once during their lifetime (and some a lot more than just once).

The "t20 scandal" only involved almost literally a handful of T2 BPOs, namely six (and rather underwhelming ones too, ammo and "light" interdictor, stuff like that - http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=424 ), while the grand total of T2 BPOs that existed at the end of the lottery was higher than 10,000 (the only cleartext dev-confirmed number).

The only way T2 BPOs go out of the game are "natural" destruction (ships blowing up with them inside the cargo mostly), people intentionally trashing them (I suppose somebody might be malcontent enough to do that instead of selling them), or being locked out on unaccessible characters (banned accounts, biomassed characters, or unpaid accounts - but in this very last case, they might still come back into play at some later time).

A large part of the T2 BPOs (by count, not relevance) are not even being used that often (usually just gathering dust in some hangar), because it's more profitable to produce things from T1 BPOs (if not actually incurring a loss by manufacturing from those specific T2 BPOs)... the only reason they're not being sold off being that they're worth more in terms of sentimental or even bragging value rather than actual market price (or that the current owner couldn't find a buyer crazy enough to pay the asking price for a glorified mantle piece).

...

P.S. What you are indirectly correct about is that the lottery ended (shortly after the invention mechanic was introduced several years ago) and no fresh T2 BPOs have being created ever since (late 2006 or early 2007, whenever the last one was actually claimed).
All T2 items introduced since then have been "invention only" items, with no T2 BPOs for them at all.
The list of "invention only" T2 items is rather long and it's only getting longer since new T2 items keep being introduced.

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Kolmogorow
Freedom Resources
#9 - 2011-12-31 14:12:11 UTC
Akita T wrote:
The only way T2 BPOs go out of the game are "natural" destruction (ships blowing up with them inside the cargo mostly), people intentionally trashing them (I suppose somebody might be malcontent enough to do that instead of selling them), or being locked out on unaccessible characters (banned accounts, biomassed characters, or unpaid accounts - but in this very last case, they might still come back into play at some later time).

A large part of the T2 BPOs (by count, not relevance) are not even being used that often (usually just gathering dust in some hangar), because it's more profitable to produce things from T1 BPOs (if not actually incurring a loss by manufacturing from those specific T2 BPOs)... the only reason they're not being sold off being that they're worth more in terms of sentimental or even bragging value rather than actual market price (or that the current owner couldn't find a buyer crazy enough to pay the asking price for a glorified mantle piece).


I agree and add the irrational reason that the owner simply doesn't have fun in production and trading the built stuff anymore, has enough ISK in the wallet and no need to sell the BPO for even more ISK or might think that the fun will come back some day. In the end having a T2 BPO full of dust is a bit more exclusive than having some billion more ISK in the wallet one never spends for something else.