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Quafe Convoy Destroyed By Caldari Forces On Caldari-Gallente Border

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Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#501 - 2017-05-31 22:19:16 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Seriously. Get over the idea that the SAF believes the public has any right to know what is happening under the mask.


Please show me where I've said I think the SAF believe that. It's pretty obvious they don't.

Quote:

I absolutely trust them to conduct an honest investigation. I absolutely believe they would sacrifice the careers of a few officers in the cause of the public smokescreen


So they'll conduct an honest investigation by being dishonest?

Aria Jenneth wrote:
Does it really seem like people wait for a really strong rhetorical position before saying nasty stuff about an enemy, though, Arrendis?


Individuals spout off all the time, Aria. Politicians, on the other hand, don't like to put themselves in a position to look stupid when their statements have an easy counter available. After all, most of them are lawyers, and lawyers know you never ask a question—or invite comment—when you don't know exactly what's going to be said.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#502 - 2017-05-31 23:58:33 UTC
Arrendis wrote:

So they'll conduct an honest investigation by being dishonest?


Nope. I think they'll conduct an honest investigation, which won't be public, and a dishonest investigation, which we just got to see.

The real mystery is any genuine surprise. (And what actually happened, of course.)

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#503 - 2017-06-03 05:16:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
I smell Dragonaurs or provists

Don't forget that guy who got away with warships.

This has Heth written all over it.


I'm sure Diana will be thrilled. There goes our date.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Diana Kim
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry
Templis CALSF
#504 - 2017-06-04 04:30:04 UTC
kul Shaishi wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
kul Shaishi wrote:
enemies of the State You and you're already begun to sound like a warlord. The Kim clique Is already in reality And you're not loyal to the CEP and the Dragonaurs also warlords

Try harder, gallente bootlicker. You are just laughable. Don't bother me until you will manage to come with something coherent, or at least remotely resembling a truth.

Kim you are a gallente bootlicker

That's funny. I don't know why are you even writing this. Could you find at least one idiot who would believe your words?...

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#505 - 2017-06-04 07:34:02 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
kul Shaishi wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
kul Shaishi wrote:
enemies of the State You and you're already begun to sound like a warlord. The Kim clique Is already in reality And you're not loyal to the CEP and the Dragonaurs also warlords

Try harder, gallente bootlicker. You are just laughable. Don't bother me until you will manage to come with something coherent, or at least remotely resembling a truth.

Kim you are a gallente bootlicker

That's funny. I don't know why are you even writing this. Could you find at least one idiot who would believe your words?...

I'm sure she could. But most of us know that you only lick Caldari boots. Also, I got a Tibus Heth love doll delivered to my quarters in Prism the other day by accident. Is it yours?

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#506 - 2017-06-04 15:04:20 UTC
Though, to be fair, there's an argument that Kim could really be a FIO agent provocateur to inspire resistance to Provist and Dragonaur efforts.

Winds, Kim's also effectively called herself an untrustworthy Gallente propagandist at least once in recent memory.

(but, like most things involving Kim, it's worth a laugh but no real consideration.)

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Reclamation
#507 - 2017-06-04 21:19:08 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Though, to be fair, there's an argument that Kim could really be a FIO agent provocateur to inspire resistance to Provist and Dragonaur efforts.

Winds, Kim's also effectively called herself an untrustworthy Gallente propagandist at least once in recent memory.

(but, like most things involving Kim, it's worth a laugh but no real consideration.)
Ms. Kim's honesty and forthright expression of loyalty to the State are understandably disconcerting to those wishing to mask hidden intent.

Personally I... and others applaud her efforts to clearly express the hidden desires of most within the State to see not only the continuance of the State but the annihilation of our Federal Union.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#508 - 2017-06-04 21:43:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
James Syagrius wrote:
Makoto Priano wrote:
Though, to be fair, there's an argument that Kim could really be a FIO agent provocateur to inspire resistance to Provist and Dragonaur efforts.

Winds, Kim's also effectively called herself an untrustworthy Gallente propagandist at least once in recent memory.

(but, like most things involving Kim, it's worth a laugh but no real consideration.)
Ms. Kim's honesty and forthright expression of loyalty to the State are understandably disconcerting to those wishing to mask hidden intent.

Personally I... and others applaud her efforts to clearly express the hidden desires of most within the State to see not only the continuance of the State but the annihilation of our Federal Union.


It's kind of each of you to give the other such good rhetorical cover. Each side gets to cast their own "Doves" or "Liberals" as naive, at best, and at worst, cowards, maybe even traitors. They also get to portray the other side's "Doves" or "Liberals" as liars, pointing to the other's most extreme as the honest face of the enemy. The grays fade from the world, which becomes a stark place of black and white.

And so extremists feed from each other. Each, after all, wants the same thing: all-out war.

I wonder how many wars have benefited from this oppositional symbiosis.

... Probably, a lot.
kul Shaishi
Yurai-Tenshin Zaibatsu
#509 - 2017-06-05 00:31:07 UTC  |  Edited by: kul Shaishi
Aria Jenneth wrote:
James Syagrius wrote:
Makoto Priano wrote:
Though, to be fair, there's an argument that Kim could really be a FIO agent provocateur to inspire resistance to Provist and Dragonaur efforts.

Winds, Kim's also effectively called herself an untrustworthy Gallente propagandist at least once in recent memory.

(but, like most things involving Kim, it's worth a laugh but no real consideration.)
Ms. Kim's honesty and forthright expression of loyalty to the State are understandably disconcerting to those wishing to mask hidden intent.

Personally I... and others applaud her efforts to clearly express the hidden desires of most within the State to see not only the continuance of the State but the annihilation of our Federal Union.


It's kind of each of you to give the other such good rhetorical cover. Each side gets to cast their own "Doves" or "Liberals" as naive, at best, and at worst, cowards, maybe even traitors. They also get to portray the other side's "Doves" or "Liberals" as liars, pointing to the other's most extreme as the honest face of the enemy. The grays fade from the world, which becomes a stark place of black and white.

And so extremists feed from each other. Each, after all, wants the same thing: all-out war.

I wonder how many wars have benefited from this oppositional symbiosis.

... Probably, a lot.

And yet the pragmatic left out and there's a reason I consider the Dragonaurs A existential threat to the state. We should launch a brutal crack down on them
Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
#510 - 2017-06-05 01:54:37 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:

And so extremists feed from each other. Each, after all, wants the same thing: all-out war.

I wonder how many wars have benefited from this oppositional symbiosis.

... Probably, a lot.


Time, the destroyer of all, will come for both sides either they unsheathe their swords or not.

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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#511 - 2017-06-05 02:14:55 UTC
Morgana Tsukiyo wrote:
Time, the destroyer of all, will come for both sides either they unsheathe their swords or not.

What does the battlefield know of war?

To adopt such a perspective is to be the same as a stone.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Black Advent
#512 - 2017-06-05 08:26:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Aria Jenneth wrote:

It's kind of each of you to give the other such good rhetorical cover. Each side gets to cast their own "Doves" or "Liberals" as naive, at best, and at worst, cowards, maybe even traitors. They also get to portray the other side's "Doves" or "Liberals" as liars, pointing to the other's most extreme as the honest face of the enemy. The grays fade from the world, which becomes a stark place of black and white.

And so extremists feed from each other. Each, after all, wants the same thing: all-out war.

I wonder how many wars have benefited from this oppositional symbiosis.

... Probably, a lot.


Liberalism Rising Among Patriots After Being Released In Matte Kaalakiota Black

By Veikitamo Gesakaarin, Kurilaivonen News Network

Recent market data released by the Jita Securities Exchange has a shown startling increase in the number of corporate citizens of Kaalakiota, Wiyrkomi, and Lai Dai starting to identify as Liberals after Ishukone released its new bespoke line of, "Liberalism: For Patriots", In Matte Kaalakiota Black.

The new packaging of Liberal ideology in a rugged faux industrial metal case combined with a bold high impact font over a weather-beaten matte black has proven surprisingly popular among a wide segment of the self-identifying Patriot community in the State and in particular young men.

One shopper interviewed for this piece seen buying boxes of Liberalism, "For all of my bros," Commented on this phenomenon: "Ever since Ishukone put Liberalism in a rugged and metallic box with bold font choices I understand it's a much broader subject than just some kind of pejorative I use because I disagree with someone in a political discussion," Adding, "Plus the free protein bars that come with it gets you sick gains, fam."

The new owners of Liberalism are expected to have a wider knowledge of the broad political, economic and social philosophies emphasizing individual rights and freedoms; a rejection of absolutism; free access to markets, goods, and services; private enterprise and entrepeneurship; and an international political order based on the preservation of the free flow of goods, people and capital without government restrictions.

It is hoped that such owners will be spared a future of unrealistic life goals created by imaginary social constructs based on racial identity leading to regressed emotional development, failed relationships and violent outbursts, resulting in a life spent blaming all their failures as due to external conspiracies; formulating incoherent rants on social media about why the Federation must be destroyed; or in eventual suicide.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
#513 - 2017-06-05 11:10:29 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Morgana Tsukiyo wrote:
Time, the destroyer of all, will come for both sides either they unsheathe their swords or not.

What does the battlefield know of war?

To adopt such a perspective is to be the same as a stone.


Nations may fall on the battlefield
Victor and vanquished come and go
And flowers bloom where the cannon pealed
But only this do i know


A stone can´t appreciate the beauty in it.



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Diana Kim
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry
Templis CALSF
#514 - 2017-06-05 11:54:50 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:

Winds, Kim's also effectively called herself an untrustworthy Gallente propagandist at least once in recent memory.

And yet again Priano shows her true face by spreading such ignorant lies about Caldari Officer.
I would like just to remind everyone, if someone has forgotten - that Priano is already an infamous liar, who has stained her honor by her cowardice instead of answering for her slanders.

Shame to Makoto Priano.

Shame.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry
Templis CALSF
#515 - 2017-06-05 12:02:29 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:

It's kind of each of you to give the other such good rhetorical cover. Each side gets to cast their own "Doves" or "Liberals" as naive, at best, and at worst, cowards, maybe even traitors. They also get to portray the other side's "Doves" or "Liberals" as liars, pointing to the other's most extreme as the honest face of the enemy. The grays fade from the world, which becomes a stark place of black and white.

And so extremists feed from each other. Each, after all, wants the same thing: all-out war.

I wonder how many wars have benefited from this oppositional symbiosis.

... Probably, a lot.

I would like to point out, though, that I myself never called a Liberal to be a coward or a traitor just for liberal point of view. When I call someone a coward - I call it for the act of cowardice they have displayed (take, for example, Makoto Priano, who decided to lose her honor instead of showing up to resolve the conflict caused by her slanders in public against Caldari officer). And when I call someone a traitor - I call it for the act of treason they have committed (take, for example, I-RED, who decided to declare war against Caldari State leading corporations and signed blue pact with Federal Militia - that was forward and obvious treason).

I have heard both of these entities were trying to cover herself under blanket of Liberalism, but let us be honest, liberal ideals can't and won't be an excuse for crimes that I-RED or Makoto Priano have committed.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#516 - 2017-06-05 13:46:49 UTC
Morgana Tsukiyo wrote:
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Morgana Tsukiyo wrote:
Time, the destroyer of all, will come for both sides either they unsheathe their swords or not.

What does the battlefield know of war?

To adopt such a perspective is to be the same as a stone.


Nations may fall on the battlefield
Victor and vanquished come and go
And flowers bloom where the cannon pealed
But only this do i know


A stone can´t appreciate the beauty in it.


No; that's true. A human can. But humans tend also to hold their causes worthwhile, whether time will lay all to ruin or not.

Cosmic perspective is maybe a good thing to be aware of, but a basic part of understanding the Totality is to understand one's own place within it.

I apologize if this is an unkind observation, Ms. Tsukiyo, but you don't seem to want to bother.
Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
#517 - 2017-06-05 15:07:13 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Morgana Tsukiyo wrote:
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Morgana Tsukiyo wrote:
Time, the destroyer of all, will come for both sides either they unsheathe their swords or not.

What does the battlefield know of war?

To adopt such a perspective is to be the same as a stone.


Nations may fall on the battlefield
Victor and vanquished come and go
And flowers bloom where the cannon pealed
But only this do i know


A stone can´t appreciate the beauty in it.


No; that's true. A human can. But humans tend also to hold their causes worthwhile, whether time will lay all to ruin or not.

Cosmic perspective is maybe a good thing to be aware of, but a basic part of understanding the Totality is to understand one's own place within it.

I apologize if this is an unkind observation, Ms. Tsukiyo, but you don't seem to want to bother.


No need to apologize, i´ve been where you are.

I understand that it is hard to surrender to the void, let go of your personal constructs such as "ego", attachments, value, moral and judgments that give meaning to put the perspective of no-self at bay.

When i was a youngling training in my monastery, whenever i got angry at master Kreia i visualized her on the recieving end of my blows and weapons. It gave focus to a feeling and action upon it brought satisfaction to percieved "injustices" from teachings i was too full to let pour in.

As i grew older and it was my turn to teach younglings, i watched their red faces, their vigorous strikes, and i knew they were hitting a projection of me much as i did when i was their age. When you are consolidating your castle of beliefs, it´s important to have an antithesis available to give boundaries shape and form for your own thesis.

But just like me they were not really hitting anything, and as i watched those kids playing a highly efficient martial version of make-believe it sank in. How illusions are powerful, how we generate the context to place ourselves into and the context in turn fuels the ego and holds it in one piece. How this field is contained by attachments that are created by the field itself.

That night i looked up, and for the first time i saw the moon and how it shined upon us all. As i looked down, all i could see was proficient kids hitting illusions that they constructed themselves, oblivious to the light upon them.

That night i reached my synthesis. That night i looked maya in the face and saw how beautiful she was. That night i crossed the gateless gate.

So again, no need to apologize. I will continue to leave a trail of bread crumbs for those that could use indications, but the path is theirs to travel.

Just don´t expect me to look at them as something other than children playing make believe wars.



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Arataka Research Consortium
#518 - 2017-06-05 16:05:00 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Makoto Priano wrote:

Winds, Kim's also effectively called herself an untrustworthy Gallente propagandist at least once in recent memory.

And yet again Priano shows her true face by spreading such ignorant lies about Caldari Officer.
I would like just to remind everyone, if someone has forgotten - that Priano is already an infamous liar, who has stained her honor by her cowardice instead of answering for her slanders.

Shame to Makoto Priano.

Shame.


For public consideration, the post where Diana Kim contends another pilot is a liar and spreading pro-Gallente propaganda for claiming Kim would execute Federal POWs for being ethnic Gallente.

For public consideration, the post where Diana Kim shares a video demonstrating her crew (now acknowledged to be dominated by Dragonaur terrorists) executing Federal POWs for being ethnic Gallente at Kim's order.

If Ms. Kim's reasoning is internally consistent (and we know it isn't, but let's assume), then Ms. Kim has declared that she herself spread pro-Gallente propaganda.

Ergo, by Ms. Kim's statements, Ms. Kim herself is a pro-Gallente propagandist.

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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#519 - 2017-06-05 16:14:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Morgana Tsukiyo wrote:
No need to apologize, i´ve been where you are.

I understand that it is hard to surrender to the void, let go of your personal constructs such as "ego", attachments, value, moral and judgments that give meaning to put the perspective of no-self at bay.

When i was a youngling training in my monastery, whenever i got angry at master Kreia i visualized her on the recieving end of my blows and weapons. It gave focus to a feeling and action upon it brought satisfaction to percieved "injustices" from teachings i was too full to let pour in.

As i grew older and it was my turn to teach younglings, i watched their red faces, their vigorous strikes, and i knew they were hitting a projection of me much as i did when i was their age. When you are consolidating your castle of beliefs, it´s important to have an antithesis available to give boundaries shape and form for your own thesis.

But just like me they were not really hitting anything, and as i watched those kids playing a highly efficient martial version of make-believe it sank in. How illusions are powerful, how we generate the context to place ourselves into and the context in turn fuels the ego and holds it in one piece. How this field is contained by attachments that are created by the field itself.

That night i looked up, and for the first time i saw the moon and how it shined upon us all. As i looked down, all i could see was proficient kids hitting illusions that they constructed themselves, oblivious to the light upon them.

That night i reached my synthesis. That night i looked maya in the face and saw how beautiful she was. That night i crossed the gateless gate.

So again, no need to apologize. I will continue to leave a trail of bread crumbs for those that could use indications, but the path is theirs to travel.

Just don´t expect me to look at them as something other than children playing make believe wars.


No ... I don't think you've ever been where I am.

I won't claim to have completed my path, but you ... I think you're lost, far from yours, and too impressed with your own shining insight to see it. Like the Sani Sabik, you've seen something true, but you make too much of it.

That cosmic perspective you're so proud of? It's a beginning, not an end. It's only the most basic kind of insight (again like the Sani Sabik insight, "power is important"). Yes, we're mere transient specks of sapient energy and matter, lost in a mystery to which all our struggles and accomplishments are ... just ... nothing. We're figments, self-impressed flecks of dust. Everything we love, everything we fight over, will come, in time, to naught. And naught is even more or less what we are now, measured against the weight of All.

So what?

Maybe we look petty to you, "children playing make believe wars," because you think you see with the void's eyes. But the void doesn't have eyes, and nothing looks petty to it. The stars don't look at us with disdain. They don't look at us at all. Even if there were some cosmic being looking at us in such a way, that being isn't you, Ms. Tsukiyo.

Do you really think your teacher looked at you in such a way?

Our faith doesn't have a concept of heresy, although our seekers go astray all the time. I've been kind of thinking about why, aside from the introspective character of most Achur practice: some of the wrong turns we can take are plainly dangerous, and always have been.

I think ... maybe it's because really understanding is a process, and wisdom isn't something that comes at once to almost anybody, and a lot of people, even seekers, never obtain it at all. The Truth isn't something that can be conveyed in words; we have to come at it indirectly, through riddles and hints, showing its presence by circling around and around it because no doctrine can carry us there. We have to find our way to the center ourselves.

So we're almost all of us heretics, almost all our lives.

But there are a few rules we do have in the meantime, duties that come with being human beings. And you've abandoned yours, Ms. Tsukiyo. You toy over and over with that jagged shard of truth you've found, and the arrogance of it drips from you like poison.

... and it's poisoned your own soul more than anyone's.

It's maybe wrong of me to look at you harshly, poor thing. But hear me: you are lost.

We have no concept of heresy. There's a way back, for everyone. ... Or maybe I should say, a way forward. But I'm beginning to think there's no deadlier venom in this world than a partial truth.
Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
#520 - 2017-06-05 16:22:20 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:

But I'm beginning to think there's no deadlier venom in this world than a partial truth.


That we agree on. Keep going further until you remove all the untruth that stands in your way.

That is a lesson that everyone can apply to their own lives.

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