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[NEWS] Closure of all State Embassies within the Federation.

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Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2017-03-22 19:40:35 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
I doubt the outbreak is a product of a state actor.

As to the rest of this, it's just so senseless.
The report seems to point to inter-megacorp action no?
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. . . highlights what are believed to be a number of inconsistencies in Caldari Navy and Home Guard records, including irregularities in weapons and equipment inventory at the Kyonoke Pit's security cordon around the time frame that the breach by Ohmon Kasaras is believed to have occurred. Additionally, the unverified report gives alleged details of Jaron Kasaras' financial history since YC110, with particular focus on his tenure at Kaalakiota whilst former State Executor Tibus Heth served as the corporation's Chief Executive. It also includes detailed evidence that indicates Kasaras, serving at the time as a weapons research and development manager, may have been skimming from budget allocated to his division into an unidentified slush fund account operated by Intaki Bank . . .
The Intaki Bank does point to Federal hands but it could also have been used to launder money in an inter-megacorp war over control of this speck perhaps.

The waters are too muddy to tell but the definitive action that harms half the State's megas as well as the recent argument could point to intercorporate espionage gone wrong as well as it points to international I think. Closing the border seems to be an act of war against some megacorps and not as much as one towards the Federation like before.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

Yoshitaka Moromuo
Burning Skies
Apocalypse Now.
#42 - 2017-03-22 19:43:19 UTC
Thankfully capsuleer traffic hasn't been impeded by this... I'll watch this cautiously.

Quite a time to come back from planetside life...
Persephone Alleile
Tartarus Covert Operations
#43 - 2017-03-22 20:15:06 UTC
Ayallah wrote:
Makoto Priano wrote:
I doubt the outbreak is a product of a state actor.

As to the rest of this, it's just so senseless.
The report seems to point to inter-megacorp action no?
Quote:
. . . highlights what are believed to be a number of inconsistencies in Caldari Navy and Home Guard records, including irregularities in weapons and equipment inventory at the Kyonoke Pit's security cordon around the time frame that the breach by Ohmon Kasaras is believed to have occurred. Additionally, the unverified report gives alleged details of Jaron Kasaras' financial history since YC110, with particular focus on his tenure at Kaalakiota whilst former State Executor Tibus Heth served as the corporation's Chief Executive. It also includes detailed evidence that indicates Kasaras, serving at the time as a weapons research and development manager, may have been skimming from budget allocated to his division into an unidentified slush fund account operated by Intaki Bank . . .
The Intaki Bank does point to Federal hands but it could also have been used to launder money in an inter-megacorp war over control of this speck perhaps.

The waters are too muddy to tell but the definitive action that harms half the State's megas as well as the recent argument could point to intercorporate espionage gone wrong as well as it points to international I think. Closing the border seems to be an act of war against some megacorps and not as much as one towards the Federation like before.


Intaki Bank has no ties to the Federation, it's operated independently in Intaki Syndicate space and is politically neutral.

This whole situation seems like some kind of dance between the FIO and the patriot faction in the CEP. The FIO (we can assume) is feeding anonymous reports to the CEP and watching them go berserk.

Obviously something is afoot here. It looks like Kasaras was deep in someone's pockets, and it is fishy that the CEP voted against launching their own investigation . . . but who has anything to gain from all this?
Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2017-03-22 20:22:29 UTC
Too many people which I think is why it is so difficult to untangle this all.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

Arrendis
TK Corp
#45 - 2017-03-22 22:23:23 UTC
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:
I swear, if a full-scale galactic war is going to be caused by some unknown idiots with a really bad cold and not our eons-long blood feud with the Minmatar, I'm going to be very disappointed.


Well, hopefully the Empress and Sanmatar can come together to prevail on the CEP and Senate to avoid that outcome.

If they can't, though, I say every Amarr and Matari capsuleer in the cluster should show up when the shooting starts and blow both sides straight to hel for being such morons and letting the terrorists play them like this.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#46 - 2017-03-23 00:19:57 UTC
F I N A L L Y.

Glory to the State!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Arrendis
TK Corp
#47 - 2017-03-23 00:22:36 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
F I N A L L Y.

Glory to the State!


Yes, the Caldari State has finally decided to kick themselves in the wallet by cutting themselves off from their nearest, largest commercial market with the lowest transportation costs!
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#48 - 2017-03-23 00:37:50 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
F I N A L L Y.

Glory to the State!


Yes, the Caldari State has finally decided to kick themselves in the wallet by cutting themselves off from their nearest, largest commercial market with the lowest transportation costs!


It's naive to suggest that the State decided to do this unilaterally because a couple of loudmouth Senators were posturing. Quitting the talks? Sure - that was posturing too, but this?

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Arrendis
TK Corp
#49 - 2017-03-23 01:27:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Arrendis
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
It's naive to suggest that the State decided to do this unilaterally because a couple of loudmouth Senators were posturing. Quitting the talks? Sure - that was posturing too, but this?


I've ascribed no motives. If I had to, I'd say the motive is the obvious one: fear. This sort of reactionary knee-jerk is the action of cowards who fear the bio-terror attacks only slightly more than they fear someone accusing them of doing nothing about them.
Lord Kailethre
Tengoo Uninstallation Service
#50 - 2017-03-23 01:31:23 UTC
Don't expect to be financially bailed out when this goes **** up on you, like last time.
Bataav
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
#51 - 2017-03-23 01:49:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Bataav
We are currently seeking clarification from the Intaki Assembly with regards to the "Shipping and Security" franchise within the Intaki system.

We are confident that Mordu's Legion, as security contractors independent of the CEP, remain largely unaffected. However, the limitations now imposed upon Ishukone risk having a profound impact on system-wide commerce.

It is our hope that what limited autonomy exists for the Intaki Assemly, making the Intaki contract possible, provides enough separation from the Federation-proper to allow Ishukone to continue operating as before.

We believe this latest situation supports the call for greater autonomy for the Assembly, which would insulate Intaki from the results of future disputes between Federation and State.
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#52 - 2017-03-23 02:49:36 UTC
The reaction by many since the FIO announced its investigation into the Kyonoke outbreak within the Federation and the possibility that it was the result of a ‘state’ actor, has been interesting to watch. It is strange that the most likely explanation is so readily ignored. The current situation regarding the termination of diplomatic relations between the State and the Federation at the bequest of some withing the CEP brings the question into finer focus. We should remind ourselves that at this point, we are all guessing, but some explanations are more plausible than others.

I am reminded of the old saying, ‘be careful what you wish for…’ This certainly puts my recent concerns regarding other matters into perspective.

Many have bemoaned the ‘Forever War’ as a tragic and immoral waste of lives and property. True enough. Some including myself, after recent events, have formed the opinion that the ‘question’ between our respective people's is too deep and ingrained to be decided peacefully. In short that there will be no peace, until one side or the other wins. It would seem that we are collectively about to test the premise.

I have avoided until recently the idea of ‘total war’, being pragmatic regarding relations between the State and the Federation and the possible outcomes of said conflict. I personally believe in the concept of 'The Just War.' It isn’t a moral equation but one based on proportionality. Resorting to war might be proportionate in relation to fending off a threat of something truly terrible such as the intentional exposure of a population to Kyonoke, when the likelihood of the successful defense is low. The scale of harm unleashed by war, including the probability of collateral harm on both sides, means that a state can be justified in exercising this right only if there is a reasonable prospect of success. That a political authority has no right to initiate the evils of war in a cause that is unlikely to succeed.

The nature of this threat, however, supersedes all such consideration.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#53 - 2017-03-23 03:06:57 UTC
So, it seems Syagrius is now rattling sabres in favor of total war.

So mighty and brave for a one-pilot corporation with no significant infrastructure.

All else aside, despite all this nonsense and chest-beating, ARC remains committed to multilateral solutions that productively address crises. In this case, our associates and staff will make every effort at the Inquest to achieve a successful resolution of the crisis.

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Arrendis
TK Corp
#54 - 2017-03-23 04:36:44 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:
I personally believe in the concept of 'The Just War.' It isn’t a moral equation but one based on proportionality. Resorting to war might be proportionate in relation to fending off a threat of something truly terrible such as the intentional exposure of a population to Kyonoke, when the likelihood of the successful defense is low. The scale of harm unleashed by war, including the probability of collateral harm on both sides, means that a state can be justified in exercising this right only if there is a reasonable prospect of success. That a political authority has no right to initiate the evils of war in a cause that is unlikely to succeed.


So a war is only 'just' if you think you can win it? Sounds like you're conflating 'just' with 'justifiable', which is not the meaning of 'Just War'. Nor is victory a factor in determining if a response is proportionate. It's like you sifted through a linguasoft of politico-military theory and picked out a pair of terms you'd heard people use before, then slapped them down to try to rationalize out a path that's both bloodthirsty and cowardly.

If there is something you are fighting to retain, something you want badly enough to die to protect it, then crass considerations of victory are nonsense. Victory becomes something you engineer. Even if it takes, for example, centuries of biding your time in order to retake your homeworld, you make it happen. A Just War is not a war you can justify, but a war whose purpose is Just, which stands upon and upholds the principle of Justice. It's not always clear, and it's not always agreed upon by all those on the side claiming to be Just.

If the Republic were to launch an all-out war of liberation, for example, its proponants would cite the slavery of our people as an evil and declare the war Just. The odds of winning would be irrelevant. Justice is not served by hedging your bets, but by striving for Justice at all cost. But not everyone would agree with that. Many would say that the Tribes were endangering lives—including those of the people the war was intended to benefit—and doing do needlessly. After all, they would likely offer, the new Empress is a business woman. Arrange a program where the Republic buys the freedom of the remaining Matari slaves.

Now, if the Imperial policy toward slaves were, say, that of Nauplius... well, then I doubt very much if any in the Republic would hesitate to call a war of liberation, of deliverance 'Just'. But even then, it would have nothing to do with the chances of victory. Whether or not that war became a cultural necessity would have nothing to do with the odds of victory. It would be a matter of Justice, and nothing else.

James Syagrius wrote:

The nature of this threat, however, supersedes all such consideration.


The nature of which threat? The threat posed by... still unidentified parties who may, for all we know, be Serpentis, SoCT, the Drifters, or the legandary Terrans, behind all this? This is a time for thoughtful reaction, not this lizard-brained lurching about to try to look decisive.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#55 - 2017-03-23 05:40:34 UTC
Oh oh. Could this mean war... oh wait we've already been at war for how many years now?

OK it's dumb to call it a war. After 8 years it's looking like an excuse to get capsuleers to kill each other and get rich selling ammo to both sides.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Arrendis
TK Corp
#56 - 2017-03-23 15:22:39 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Oh oh. Could this mean war... oh wait we've already been at war for how many years now?

OK it's dumb to call it a war. After 8 years it's looking like an excuse to get capsuleers to kill each other and get rich selling ammo to both sides.


It took you 8 years to figure that out?
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#57 - 2017-03-23 18:44:24 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Petty hubbub.

Madame, I tried to follow your reply but as usually escaped me. Perhaps you should try expressing your opinions, instead of simply playing antagonist to others considerations.

James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#58 - 2017-03-23 19:02:25 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
So, it seems Syagrius is now rattling sabres in favor of total war.
Am I?

Makoto Priano wrote:
So mighty and brave for a one-pilot corporation with no significant infrastructure.

So instead of answering a serious consideration or simply remaining silent, you decide to belittle and insult. A valid tactic but somehow I expected more, especially from a group clamoring for speculative cooperation. But I suppose if you can’t find fault in the message, discredit the messenger. Indeed my courage is of the tidal kind, it ebbs and flows. If your research were more thorough you would know that my recent restructuring was a preparation. As to significance, a demonstration perhaps, of how little things can become burdensome.

Makoto Priano wrote:
All else aside, despite all this nonsense and chest-beating, ARC remains committed to multilateral solutions that productively address crises. In this case, our associates and staff will make every effort at the Inquest to achieve a successful resolution of the crisis.
When it is found that it was the State that is responsible, what will your ‘multilateral solution’ look like?
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#59 - 2017-03-23 19:14:00 UTC
Who benefits from a Gallente/Caldari War?

Hint: Neither the Gallente, nor the Caldari.

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Arrendis
TK Corp
#60 - 2017-03-23 19:29:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Arrendis
James Syagrius wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
Petty hubbub.

Madame, I tried to follow your reply but as usually escaped me. Perhaps you should try expressing your opinions, instead of simply playing antagonist to others considerations.


Well, I'm sorry basic logic and the meanings of words are too much for your cognitive abilities.

James Syagrius wrote:
So instead of answering a serious consideration or simply remaining silent, you decide to belittle and insult.


The irony is just amazing.