Player Features and Ideas Discussion

People will find a way to abuse it.

Make alts.
Never move alt for a year.
Transfer all these assets to this alt.
Do the move thing.
Transfer items back to main.
=Free movement of goods. More alts you have, the more often you can do it.


No magic movement of stuffs. Many people don't even like asset safety. If you're coming back from a long time away do so with the semi expectation that you are going to be starting again. Move what you can, trash/sell what you cant. Ask friends for ships to borrow.

At which point CCP have to do a lot of work to make the server keep track of a lot of location data for a super niche feature that actively breaks part of the game by making blocked asset retrieval easy.

Just do what everyone else does, either sneak an alt in to the corp that owns the space and use that to get your stuff out, fire sale it, or plan ahead and don't leave your stuff somewhere you won't be able to easily get it back before going AFK for months or years.

Seems like you should just hire a hauler to move the stuff or haul it yourself.

I feel your pain. I have lots of assets sitting in places where I no longer play and have no desire to ever return to. Heck, I even have a couple of un-delivered manufacturing jobs out in a NPC-station in Null that's 50 jumps away from where I am now. I have no idea when I'll get close enough to clear those manufacturing slots.

I also have done standings missioning for several groups and have huge stashes of loot in the stations I was based out of that I may never consolidate.

But... I kind of consider that part of the game. If I need it I have to go get it. If I don't and I ever need some ammo when I'm in that area... it's sitting in a hanger with a 3-foot layer of dust on it. I could have taken the time to make a few trips to move my stuff when I moved. I chose not to bother. Others I'm sure took the time. I don't think I should get a "get out of jail free" card for that choice.

The irony in this juxtaposition is amazing. What makes you think inventory items have time stamps for all changes?

Also, while I see the argument about returning players, I just can't get behind this in any form. We have wonderful freight services that will do this for you: black frog, red frog, pushx, whatever. And that's if you don't want to suck it up and do it yourself.

Item actions are tracked, that data is not associated with a specific item because there's no reason for it to be. There's just a table of events somewhere, which is probably archived at intervals so the live server may not even know about what you did a year ago.

This sort of thing is just basic software best practices. You don't keep data around on Live that you aren't actively using, and we know for a fact from CCP's statements that stacks of items are just pointers. When you merge two stacks or repackage something all the metadata associated with it gets stripped, the only thing that exists is a record in a log somewhere saying that so and so repackaged that item and such and such time.

They would need to do a lot of work to go through the logs and determine when the last time something was touched, and at that point it would be easier to add the tracking on the item, which would *still* be a huge amount of work.

CCP may be trying to get people back into the game, but a free trip for lost assets seems unlikely. There are already mechanisms in the game for dealing with this, they just don't instantly and easily get your stuff to you from 200LY away.

If you really really feel like something like this is needed for Outposts then how about just giving them asset safety. They're likely to get something like it already when Outposts are removed from the game eventually:

if you have that much stuff scattered to the winds, and your not willing to pay the fee to get it moved, then its obviously not that important to your life.

if you for some reason really do need a few specific ships out, then contract black frog to grab them for you, shouldn't cost more than a few hundred million, if the ships are not worth that much then just buy them again and reclaim your lost ships next time you are in the area.

if you cannot afford to buy those ships again, then frankly you couldn't afford those ships in the first place (don't fly what you can't loose etc)

hell, put if they are all within 30 jumps of each other, put up a public contract with what you would consider a reasonable reward in order to consolidate everything in one spot. you might be very surprised how many things get moved that way. (i've moved goods into and out of null-sec for a fraction of black frogs prices that way)

CCP had this thing where you could move one ship (usually a full carrier) if you returned, but they discontinued this.

But I don't get the point the OP. If it's just small stuff scattered around, fire sake it or thrash it. If it's more, hire a hauler.

I was trying to illustrate why the tracking doesn't work like you think it does, so lets try a more direct example...

Just the gate jump logs.

There are probably a million gate jumps in Eve every day or two, especially if you include wormholes, gates, Jump Drives, ect. A year's worth of records would be on the order of 3-400 million records. You're basically asking for something that searches through *all* of those records and says "has this person been in this system?"

Even assuming that it's just the records for a single system that's going to be tens or hundreds of thousands of logs, and that doesn't get into checking how long the items have been there, which *does* get into checking through basically every other log in the game that remotely deals with item movements (contracts, trades, ect).

In order for this not to be amazingly expensive there basically needs to be a field on the item that tracks half or more of this, and probably another on each system for each character, or something like that. Neither of those is how Eve is set up right now, both would be at least moderately expensive to add and drain performance for no good reason.

If you've worked with databases at any kind of scale you should at least have some idea of how expensive digging through millions of logs is. That's what you're asking for here.

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What you want is basically asset safety but in Outposts. It already exists, doesn't deal with any of this messy stuff you think will be so very easy to implement, and it doesn't magically get it to the exact station you want it just gets it to somewhere you can probably access.

If you haven't thought of that then there it is. Free idea.

If you have then you probably just don't want to pay the 15% charge to get the stuff out of the asset safety wrap after it makes its way to Low Sec.

They still do this - but it's one ship and what can fit inside. It's mostly there to prevent being lost in wormholes and being stuck halfway across the map with no idea how to get back safely on a changed map.

Or something like that. It still happens - it's just rarer.

If a system like this existed at all then it should be painfully slow. Like one jump per server reset slow. A 30 jump distance would take 30 days. It should be irreversible and you would have absolutely no access to any of the gear early.

Still, no. There are players who earn their living this way. Keep them gainfully employed.