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Dev Blog: PLEX Rework - Follow Up

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Moridunum Kanjus
The Graduates
The Initiative.
#101 - 2017-05-09 15:58:10 UTC
Can we please have an option to hide the obnoxious plex vault that doesn't fit in with the rest of the UI in any aesthetic way...Why can't we just open the vault via the neocom? or better yet, not have one?

I would also appreciate not having plex pushed in my face considering I already pay for the monthly sub, this is blatant paid service advertising that you can't get away from, to me that's not cool. This is not a mobile game.
Black Romero
Aviation Professionals for EVE
Virtus Crusade Protectorate
#102 - 2017-05-09 16:46:21 UTC
I thought Aurum tokens were getting removed? Still here and still accessible on market.
Mokada Akiga
Bah Weep Grah Na Weep Mini Bahm
#103 - 2017-05-09 20:46:09 UTC
just a massive screw job by CCP to the players of eve with the cost of plex. I have the screen shot of the old costs and plex you got, much better then. Nice ream job on your player base jerks.
Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#104 - 2017-05-10 02:34:14 UTC
Max Deveron wrote:
Sister Stetille wrote:


But you would not be the target audience. Imagine all of those people who have quit Eve because they couldn't "catch up". Or all of the people who still want access to new skills. The logic being, if you already pay a sub every month for a set amount of SP, why not just make the trade upfront instead of extending it out.


I will answer this question of why,
The answer is this: You do not kill things for Skill/Experience pts, so your character does not level up.
There is no leveling up, just studying as in Real Life.
As in Real Life you never stop learning, so even logged out if the que is full/set you never quit skilling up.

There is no logic in getting rid of this type of SP gain as there is no other way to gain SP. To go full ****** on just buying SP and giving the game free reign to Wallet Warriors only will definitely kill EvE. Might as well just change the name to Vega Conflict @ that point and be done with it because the only people playing soon after (1-3 yrs tops) will be PvP and those who pay only for their stuff with RL cash, cash for SP, cash for PLEX (at first till the farmers finally leave) to buy ships and gear.

Except they already did exactly this with skill injectors.

Choice:
Plex -> ISK -> Injectors (XP)
Play -> ISK -> Injectors (XP)

A mix of these two are how we got the Rorqal plague, and how we're getting the supercarrier plague. With most of the other FOTM/Y stuff they've released over the years, it took months to get into the stupid OP ship. Now it's at skill/mastery IV/V 5 minutes after the ink is dry on the spreadsheets and on Youtube by morning.

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#105 - 2017-05-10 02:44:40 UTC
Shallanna Yassavi wrote:

Except they already did exactly this with skill injectors.

Choice:
Plex -> ISK -> Injectors (XP)
Play -> ISK -> Injectors (XP)

A mix of these two are how we got the Rorqal plague, and how we're getting the supercarrier plague. With most of the other FOTM/Y stuff they've released over the years, it took months to get into the stupid OP ship. Now it's at skill/mastery IV/V 5 minutes after the ink is dry on the spreadsheets and on Youtube by morning.

And patched out a week later if it's actually a major issue as a result.
The 'months' only existed for those who weren't already trained, which meant that the elite who have 10 year old alts actually got to abuse the stupid OP ship for months till enough people got in it for it to become a serious problem overall.

A problem being more visible does not mean a problem is worse than what it replaced.

@ Mokada, prove it, post before & after screen-shots with evidence that the before shots aren't a special sale.
Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
#106 - 2017-05-10 04:44:51 UTC
Shallanna Yassavi wrote:

Except they already did exactly this with skill injectors.

Choice:
Plex -> ISK -> Injectors (XP)
Play -> ISK -> Injectors (XP)

A mix of these two are how we got the Rorqal plague, and how we're getting the supercarrier plague. With most of the other FOTM/Y stuff they've released over the years, it took months to get into the stupid OP ship. Now it's at skill/mastery IV/V 5 minutes after the ink is dry on the spreadsheets and on Youtube by morning.


Uhm no they did not.
Because of the diminishing returns injectors give the higher you go.
It there fore makes it a PLEX/ISK sink.

Now maybe if a lot of those veteran pilots whom rid themselves of mining skills, etc had not done so we would not have seen such a rush on these things and newer pilots to the category seeing this following, because.

The fact though is that you are missing........
Most games you skill up by completing quests and killing stuff, so basically you only skill up while playing.

In EvE you can skill up without playing......selling SP upfront would kill this game so fast.
Because:
1.) the ones unable to do so would quit playing, unable to afford it.
2.) the ones able to do so would skill everything and have very little reason to do most of the CCP provided content and eventually quit after a few months.
Keira Jelatin
TURN LEFT
HYDRA RELOADED
#107 - 2017-05-10 15:32:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Keira Jelatin
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned but is it possible to remote move plex to the volt from the asset window like it was possible to activate plex the same way?

I've seen the option but it doesn't do anything at the moment for me.
Karmen Baric
Doomheim
#108 - 2017-05-10 16:48:45 UTC
Keira Jelatin wrote:
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned but is it possible to remote move plex to the volt from the asset window like it was possible to activate plex the same way?

I've seen the option but it doesn't do anything at the moment for me.


Same tried to move plex into vault from Personal Assets window and nothing happens. Seems broken.
Mindly Com
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#109 - 2017-05-10 23:04:00 UTC


The donate gametime feature was removed. Thus making it very difficult to "replex" multiple accounts. Please readd that feature to the vault...

Just to be clear. I do not want to gift plex. I want to donate gametime to a charecter like the old system. AKA no need to go though the same steps on the target account that the main market account does.

Old steps:
[Main Account]
30day gametime > activeate > donate gametime > charectar name > confirm [done]

New steps:
[Main Acount]
go to station > drag plex to plex vault > open plex vault > gift plex > charectar name > ok confirm
[Second Account]
open plex vault > use gametime > ok [done]

Proposed steps:

remotely add asset plex to plex vault via right click or drag > open plex vault > donate game time > character name > confirm [done]

Best steps:
it would be even better if you could give the plex vault a whole list of characters to donate game time to.

-Mindly
Sagara Mithril
Cro-Magnons
Cavemen.
#110 - 2017-05-11 03:30:00 UTC
I love the new idea of breaking down the Plex into 500 parts.

Now if you only have like 3 hours free to play the game, you only activate a few Plexes for those 3 hours and save the rest. You could also play as an Alpha for few days, buy some Plexes, and when you have to go out PVP, you activate the Omega time.

Now, would be nice if we had the choice of buying certain quantity of Omega days from the website, maybe breaking the monthly subscription price into 30 parts.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#111 - 2017-05-11 08:56:29 UTC
Sagara Mithril wrote:
I love the new idea of breaking down the Plex into 500 parts.

Now if you only have like 3 hours free to play the game, you only activate a few Plexes for those 3 hours and save the rest. You could also play as an Alpha for few days, buy some Plexes, and when you have to go out PVP, you activate the Omega time.

Now, would be nice if we had the choice of buying certain quantity of Omega days from the website, maybe breaking the monthly subscription price into 30 parts.

It does not work this way. You still only activate 30 days of Omega using 500 X-es.

So what you love about these changes again? Cool

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

Sagara Mithril
Cro-Magnons
Cavemen.
#112 - 2017-05-11 15:45:00 UTC
Wow, i don't see the point of breaking it into 500 parts if you can't activate hours or days of Omega time, If you would allow this, you would have much more Omega Clones playing at a time, and it would give Alpha clones an incentive to make money and play the game... Jesus...
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#113 - 2017-05-12 06:22:15 UTC
Sagara Mithril wrote:

Wow, i don't see the point of breaking it into 500 parts if you can't activate hours or days of Omega time, If you would allow this, you would have much more Omega Clones playing at a time, and it would give Alpha clones an incentive to make money and play the game... Jesus...

Cyno alts everywhere, never gona happen.

"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville

Timcanpy Yvormes
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#114 - 2017-05-12 08:24:41 UTC
Karmen Baric wrote:
Keira Jelatin wrote:
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned but is it possible to remote move plex to the volt from the asset window like it was possible to activate plex the same way?

I've seen the option but it doesn't do anything at the moment for me.


Same tried to move plex into vault from Personal Assets window and nothing happens. Seems broken.


I've tried the same but with this i can't get more time to play because the plex wont move to my vault.

How can i activate the plex to get more time?
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#115 - 2017-05-12 11:04:16 UTC
Sagara Mithril wrote:
Wow, i don't see the point of breaking it into 500 parts if you can't activate hours or days of Omega time, If you would allow this, you would have much more Omega Clones playing at a time, and it would give Alpha clones an incentive to make money and play the game... Jesus...

The only real reason for this 'long awaited' change was that some people will spend more money on X buying stuff in NES shop.
Anything beyond is just marketing fluff for weak minded people to cover this.

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

Julien Brellier
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#116 - 2017-05-23 17:27:10 UTC
Being unable to remotely move plex to vault is a massive oversight

GG CCP
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#117 - 2017-05-23 20:26:02 UTC
Julien Brellier wrote:
Being unable to remotely move plex to vault is a massive oversight

GG CCP



It is certainly an oversight.

It's _slightly_ mitigated by the fact that undocking doesn't mean leaving plex behind to keep it safe. Stick it in the vault when you're there.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter

Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#118 - 2017-05-23 23:28:15 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Julien Brellier wrote:
Being unable to remotely move plex to vault is a massive oversight

GG CCP



It is certainly an oversight.

It's _slightly_ mitigated by the fact that undocking doesn't mean leaving plex behind to keep it safe. Stick it in the vault when you're there.
Yes it is so much easier to fly all over new eden to do plex transactions rather than being able to remotely activate it.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.

RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#119 - 2017-06-05 06:17:12 UTC
The plex vault needs a ledger. Similar to the wallet, that shows transactions.
I currently can't track my plex. Cannot see if they have applied to game time, from the vault or store.
I also cannot find, in game, when my account expires.

Could be a bug?
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#120 - 2017-06-05 11:17:13 UTC
RavenPaine wrote:
The plex vault needs a ledger. Similar to the wallet, that shows transactions.
I currently can't track my plex. Cannot see if they have applied to game time, from the vault or store.
I also cannot find, in game, when my account expires.

Could be a bug?

Nah not a bug - Account management is the only way currently to see when your accounts expire.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.